It's beacuse a mutation of covid was discovered in minks. I'm sure they have already been added to the list of Victims of Communism. Pure hellworld. Fuck everyone who wears fur coats.
It's beacuse a mutation of covid was discovered in minks. I'm sure they have already been added to the list of Victims of Communism. Pure hellworld. Fuck everyone who wears fur coats.
I am discussing in good faith, but this particular discussion is shitty because you don't seem to be engaging with any ideas that are relevant to the ethics of animal exploitation. You don't seem to have any real knowledge of the ethical critiques vegans make and instead just assume you have enough knowledge to argue authoritatively on the subject and it's aggravating to say the least. The entire point that I've been discussing is about having a consistent ethical justification for animal exploitation, and you seem to be dead set on talking about literally anything else.
Ok, you're just starting off by assuming that vegans are trying to make people into ascetics and deprive them of enjoying luxuries, for some reason. It's things like this that make having a good faith discussion incredibly difficult, because I have to spend my time correcting your assumptions about veganism instead of just discussing it directly. To put it simply, meat isn't a luxury because people enjoy eating it, it's a luxury because it is both unnecessary and expensive to produce. Luxuries aren't inherently bad, but killing a sentient being purely for luxury consumption is surely wrong.
Sure, but this has nothing to do with whether it's morally acceptable to kill animals for pleasure. Most people are ok with consuming products they know are made by slave labor, exploitation, and imperialism, but that doesn't mean that any of those things are somehow moral or acceptable. Should we tolerate slavery because most people are ok with purchasing the products the slaves create?
The vast majority of people who eat meat do not consider it to be a significant cause of cancer. Seriously, try telling people to stop eating meat because it is a carcinogen and see how many people come out of nowhere to tell you that can't be true because eating meat is natural and can't be harmful because evolution. And this is also not relevant to whether slaughtering animals for pleasure is ethical.
Yeah, we can't ever talk about ethics because some people will just be unethical anyways. Why say murder is wrong when people will still murder others? Or why say slavery is immoral because there are always people who will purchase products made from slave labor? Maybe we should just stop moralizing about murder and slavery and accept that people will just do what benefits them even if it causes mass suffering and death.
And this is also not relevant to whether slaughtering animals for pleasure is ethical.
So we can't say killing animals for pleasure is bad because people are just helplessly manipulated by all-powerful marketing campaigns? Why should we even bother being leftists if capitalist marketing can just always mid control people into being mindless consumers?
And this is also not relevant to whether slaughtering animals for pleasure is ethical.
Vegetarians are vegans are completely different. It's like saying liberals and communists are the same thing. This basic lack of knowledge of the subject is why having a discussion with you is so frustrating and difficult.
And yet again, this still has no bearing on whether slaughtering animals for pleasure is ethical.
Things like the Impossible Burger and Beyond Beef exist and have existed for a while now and somehow meat eaters still hate them. It turns out the vast majority of meat eaters don't give a shit about animal suffering, unless it's a cute animal they happen to like.
Really, this is just infuriating at this point. You blatantly have no idea about anything related to veganism and animal exploitation and that doesn't stop you from just claiming to know all the answers.
None of this is unique to mink, people do the exact same shit with leather vs synthetic leather, turkey vs tofurkey, beef vs beyond beef, and on and on. Please learn more about the subject before trying to argue it, I'm begging you.
Yeah, I'm sure the animals that were tortured and slaughtered really appreciate how chill you are with all of it. I'm sure the chickens feel their lifelong imprisonment and early death is worth it so long as you don't make Grandma feel awkward. I mean, if my Grandma offers me some nice dog soup, I can't refuse that and hurt her feelings, can I?
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