B&R is a broadly DemSoc (with Marxist leanings) caucus if I recall, who still hold out that an electorial path is possible. Their Allende-like approach is probably what is being called Kautskyite here.
It directly identifies as a caucus of strictly Marxist organizers. They also iirc don't hold out that an electoral path is possible, but that a simultaneous investment in elections combined with militant radical rank and file labor organizing is necessary. I know there are revolutionary socialists on their national leadership. Yeah looking at their docs, they outright say winning elections is not taking power, merely a necessary step along the way to power. They're coy with it, but they clearly endorse a mass militant labor movement as a final protective step but yeah that endorsement of elections in a pretty direct way is what they're most likely calling Kautskyite.
That makes sense. It is still kind of silly that the DSA has like 6 different Marxist Caucuses. Like why is R&R and B&R even separate if they are both revolutionary?
I'm aware, I've read kautsky (including lars lih work on Lenin and kautsky). I read the call. I just disagree on calling those things neo-kautskyite. I'd also say I disagree with the characterization of B&R trying to control what the revolution is, rather I see it as setting up as many favorable conditions as possible than an endorsement to one view of it.
I should also say here while I'm not a member of B&R, I have attended their trainings, and am friends with multiple members that have written for the call.
B&R is a broadly DemSoc (with Marxist leanings) caucus if I recall, who still hold out that an electorial path is possible. Their Allende-like approach is probably what is being called Kautskyite here.
R&R is more explicitly revolutionary.
It directly identifies as a caucus of strictly Marxist organizers. They also iirc don't hold out that an electoral path is possible, but that a simultaneous investment in elections combined with militant radical rank and file labor organizing is necessary. I know there are revolutionary socialists on their national leadership. Yeah looking at their docs, they outright say winning elections is not taking power, merely a necessary step along the way to power. They're coy with it, but they clearly endorse a mass militant labor movement as a final protective step but yeah that endorsement of elections in a pretty direct way is what they're most likely calling Kautskyite.
That makes sense. It is still kind of silly that the DSA has like 6 different Marxist Caucuses. Like why is R&R and B&R even separate if they are both revolutionary?
They're leftists
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I'm aware, I've read kautsky (including lars lih work on Lenin and kautsky). I read the call. I just disagree on calling those things neo-kautskyite. I'd also say I disagree with the characterization of B&R trying to control what the revolution is, rather I see it as setting up as many favorable conditions as possible than an endorsement to one view of it.
I should also say here while I'm not a member of B&R, I have attended their trainings, and am friends with multiple members that have written for the call.
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