Pretty much, as I said in another thread the most effective thing we can do here in the Imperial core is work to dismantle the power structures that impede international socialist movements.
Oh don't get me wrong I'd hop on that vanguard party in a fucking heartbeat, I just think it's far more likely we will see the collapse of those institutions and balkanization before we see any sort of revolutionary movement that seizes control of those levers.
Yeah even if some sort of revolutionary movement was successful I feel like the initial result would be the same, with the federal government losing legitimacy we still have state governments that are just as shit to contend with. Basically the US is so compartmentalized it would be hard for any revolutionary movement to sweep the whole country at once.
Hey, I saw your comment when this post was made and put Desert on my to-read list. I finally read it all last night and holy shit, I think it's going to be extremely influential in informing my own views and approaches to the future. I likely will still be in favor of at least attempts at democratic centralism alongside the decentralization/self-sufficiency espoused by anarchists, but this has changed the exact nature of those aspirations and it's tempered my dreams of a global proletarian revolution with some pragmatism (at least I hope). I also think there is a strong argument for left unity/solidarity in the face of ecological collapse and the subsequent collapse of the transformative/utopian predictions most of our Sects make. Idk just wanted to say thanks for recommending this and I'd be super interested in other readings you'd recommend (I've only really read a little bit of Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Bookchin on the anarchist side of theory)
Thanks sm I'm excited to check all these out (especially interested in Blessed is the Flame I think imma do that first) and I'll try to shoot the shit sometime! I also feel like I'm going to dive into the fiction on there; I've definitely had a hankering to write some shit after finishing reading last night and wanna see what others have written
I’m not sure our institutions even could be properly redeemed given many of them were designed to further the goals of imperialism and exploit other countries.
That's pretty much my take and why I'm of the total reset mentality. Everyone's all scared that some other super power would swoop in and take control of the US but that's magical thinking. We're the most/best armed civilian population on the planet. Foreign occupation of the US is just not possible.
True but most of what we rely on from China is labor that could be done by people currently working in bullshit jobs that don't produce actual material value here in the US. My favorite example is all those tanks we just paid for that the pentagon doesn't even want. There's a massive untapped labor force in the US that just needs the corporate rug ripped out from under them.
Yep, it's a massive make-work program that is only supported because the people that represent the constituencies that rely on those jobs can't imagine any alternative.
What would Socialism with American characteristics look like, btw? I've thought about this in the back of my brain for a bit and I don't know what form it'd take. I thought about making it a post somewhere on this site, but where?
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Pretty much, as I said in another thread the most effective thing we can do here in the Imperial core is work to dismantle the power structures that impede international socialist movements.
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Oh don't get me wrong I'd hop on that vanguard party in a fucking heartbeat, I just think it's far more likely we will see the collapse of those institutions and balkanization before we see any sort of revolutionary movement that seizes control of those levers.
Basically shit sucks yo.
See OP this here's yer left unity.
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Yeah even if some sort of revolutionary movement was successful I feel like the initial result would be the same, with the federal government losing legitimacy we still have state governments that are just as shit to contend with. Basically the US is so compartmentalized it would be hard for any revolutionary movement to sweep the whole country at once.
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Hey, I saw your comment when this post was made and put Desert on my to-read list. I finally read it all last night and holy shit, I think it's going to be extremely influential in informing my own views and approaches to the future. I likely will still be in favor of at least attempts at democratic centralism alongside the decentralization/self-sufficiency espoused by anarchists, but this has changed the exact nature of those aspirations and it's tempered my dreams of a global proletarian revolution with some pragmatism (at least I hope). I also think there is a strong argument for left unity/solidarity in the face of ecological collapse and the subsequent collapse of the transformative/utopian predictions most of our Sects make. Idk just wanted to say thanks for recommending this and I'd be super interested in other readings you'd recommend (I've only really read a little bit of Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Bookchin on the anarchist side of theory)
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Thanks sm I'm excited to check all these out (especially interested in Blessed is the Flame I think imma do that first) and I'll try to shoot the shit sometime! I also feel like I'm going to dive into the fiction on there; I've definitely had a hankering to write some shit after finishing reading last night and wanna see what others have written
balkanize when?
That's pretty much my take and why I'm of the total reset mentality. Everyone's all scared that some other super power would swoop in and take control of the US but that's magical thinking. We're the most/best armed civilian population on the planet. Foreign occupation of the US is just not possible.
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True but most of what we rely on from China is labor that could be done by people currently working in bullshit jobs that don't produce actual material value here in the US. My favorite example is all those tanks we just paid for that the pentagon doesn't even want. There's a massive untapped labor force in the US that just needs the corporate rug ripped out from under them.
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Yep, it's a massive make-work program that is only supported because the people that represent the constituencies that rely on those jobs can't imagine any alternative.
Not to mention shit like the F35 project
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What would Socialism with American characteristics look like, btw? I've thought about this in the back of my brain for a bit and I don't know what form it'd take. I thought about making it a post somewhere on this site, but where?
Post it in AskChapo
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