Hotter take: Fascism is a dead ideology and yous guys are pissing yourselves over something that aint never coming back because the idea of an apocalyptic war/massacre where guys into weird runes and shit kill millions is more libidinally satisfying than the autumn of neoliberalism we got
Bad take, fascism is inevitable under capitalism. Eventually masses of people won't be happy with the status quo after some crisis and will want change, liberals will of course then side with the fascists to stop socialists from taking over
"dude it happened like a hundred years ago in completely different societal, environmental, and technological circumstances so it's guaranteed to happen again have you listened to it could happen here man Robert's such a prophet wifouwhgiuwfoiwgwig"
I like the man's work too but yous aughta broaden your horizon looking at history. It doesn't start and stop in germany from 1918 to 1945 you know
Who the fuck are you talking about? Also can you give a fucking argument against what I said instead of just deciding things have changed so fascism just has to be one of them?
You have no idea what fascism is do you? Do you think the fascists that rose in Nazi Germany were the pinnacle of their society? Fascism arises in humiliated nations and appeals to the most insecure, it mythologizes their past and promises to take it back by fighting the people who took them down from the inside. There is no way the world has changed to make this impossible. It is still the end stage of capitalism. When a socialist movement arises in a capitalist country that has gone through disasters that has made the majority willing to bring down the liberal status quo, fascist movements rise too, blaming hated minorities for the state of the nation. The liberals side with the fascists because it's better for them than socialism. Can you give a reason why that's not the most logical future for America? The US is still the wealthiest, most powerful nation in the world and already has wannabe fascist leaders promising a return to a better past through persecuting minorities. You actually admit to Trump being at least similar to a 'real' fascist but decide that because he's a pussy that means fascism in america can absolutely never come to power. Things are only going to get worse for America, and fascism will only gain power under those conditions.
Also I really hope you're just a kid, otherwise calling people pussies online for disagreeing with your hare-brained take is really embarrassing
Do you think the fascists that rose in Nazi Germany were the pinnacle of their society
Nah, but they could take a fucking punch though. You know hitler like personally beat KPD guys half to death during the kapfzeit? Can you see modern conservatives doing that? The fucking weeping pussy bitches that freak out when they see protests gasp block traffic!? The same guys that run like effeminate weaklings when you shoot a firecracker near their house or send em an anonymous text message of their house late at night?
They're cowards. You wanna jack off. I get it, bit you really shouldn't cum in public spaces man, it's unbecoming.
If you're trying to imply you've scared fascists with those methods you've mentioned I'm calling bullshit, you've never done praxis in your life. You once again miss the entire fucking point. Notice how I talked about fascism*gaining_*power? Fascists in America aren't willing to risk taking a punch because they're not desperate enough to put themselves at risk. But times are going to get harder for America, and people will become more willing to put themselves in harms way because what they have to lose will steadily decrease. You still haven't given a single reason why the process of capitalism decaying into fascism can't happen in the modern day, you just continue to point out the same obvious fact that it hasn't happened right at this moment, as if that means it can't happen.
You really need to drop this edgy affectation of calling people pussies and that whole weird last line you wrote. I mean this as genuine advice, it makes you look like a fucking neckbeard.
But times are going to get harder for America, and people will become more willing to put themselves in harms way
nah. The bodies will pile six fucking high and nobody will care. I'm literally coughing like I never have before and have a fever of 100 and my fucking idiot father still insists on visiting me. Americans are effeminate cucks that will let the cold fist of capitalism clock them so fucking hard their jaw will dislocate and will submissively offer the other side of their face
You still haven’t given a single reason why the process of capitalism decaying into fascism can’t happen in the modern day
literally no social cohesion or organization for one. It is impossible to create a mass movement in the digital age
I'm talking about a long term trend, not covid. I don't think fascists will take over America because of the pandemic, if that's what you thought I meant. America is slowly losing it's position as hegemon and its society becomes constantly more stratified. That's all before you even factor in climate change and the effect that's gonna have to even put food on the table. Long term, a slide in to fascism should be expected. They aren't doing shit during the pandemic because they don't care, these were mostly the people who wanted no lockdown for the inconvenience it would cause them, they don't give a shit about mass death if they think they'll be fine and they still get to be comfortable.
It's not impossible to create a mass movement in the digital age. People are perfectly capable of organising, it's just that the nations where the internet is the most accessible, the people are the most comfortable. When the world really starts to degrade, masses of people will be more willing to join radical movements on both ends of the political spectrum, regardless of technology.
It’s not impossible to create a mass movement in the digital age
Yes it is! Dude people got netflix, Lays potato chips, legal or mostly legal weed, and free internet. Mass movements are fucking dead! It's all atomization from here on out
All that other "america is losing it's postition" shit
Dude, You relize none of that matters right? They don't see that! Those numbers, them graphs, whatever BS you show to people to show them that America fuckin sucks now they just ignore! Fuckin hell, how old are you? Reality! IS! DEAD! none of it matters! As long as you get those fucking cucks watching the right fucking screens you will never see change, and they have literal AI and every behavioral scientist and psychologist in the world making sure they will
You're assuming peoples lives will stay as comfortable as they are now. Like I said, things are going to get much worse long term. Maybe they can keep the netflix if that infrastructure can be supported, but that'll mean fuck all when they can barely survive. I mentioned americas change in power because that is a factor that directly effects its citizens material conditions. This relatively luxurious lifestyle you speak of is built on exploitation of the third world that may not be able to continue as severely when America can't roll over whoever it likes. Then there is climate change and the dwindling resources these luxuries are in large part based on. If America can't support that lifestyle anymore, people will look for it to come back. That's when you'll have socialist movements looking to redistribute and create a more efficient system, and fascist movements promising to regain previous glory. You're talking about an obvious reality, that comfortable people don't put their lives at risk, and acting like something fundamental has changed in people and it doesn't matter how material conditions change from here on out.
so according to you, the AfD, grey wolves, and golden dawn don't exist and the Verfassungsschutz and the KSK aren't full of neo-nazis who have been stockpiling weapons for years
german special forces commandos are now pussies according to someone who has probably never been in a fight in their life and thinks that using autistic as an insult is acceptable
Man , I was in the US Navy, I met guys in the German military, they're a pack of paper tigers wrapped in tin foil. I know you desperately wanna jack off to the idea of fascism coming back but I'm sorry man, it aint happening
Hey man, I've killed more people than you probably, so I feel like I can judge a pack of whining krauts crying when the cable reception is bad in Afghanistan better than you
random yank navy enlisted bragging about killing militia in a desert to dunk on german special forces who have been stockpiling weapons, explosives, and ammunition for years with their domestic intelligence service being complicit
Oh shit no the German special forces! Oh they're so scary! They're a country that we cut their fucking balls off in the 40's and have never given it back since then I'm so scared, the Germans! What will I do!? They may post mean shit on 4chan before they all get arrested by GS9!
They are actual soldiers who will be fighting civillians, if it comes down to it
something you should be familiar with, what with the whole war crimes thing you do
They’re a country that we cut their fucking balls off in the 40’s
thought you were a yank, not russian
They may post mean shit on 4chan before they all get arrested by GS9!
which part of "german domestic intelligence have been covering for them for years" do you not understand?
They are actual soldiers who will be fighting civillians, if it comes down to it
Literally the most badass guy I ever met fought in shorts and flip flops, if the German people don't roll over like they did last time I'm sure they'll be fine
thought you were a yank, not russian
Dresden was American/British m8. My grandfather still has a Kraut skull from the war left over in the attic that used to be an ash tray
which part of “german domestic intelligence have been covering for them for years” do you not understand?
Oh shit their version of the CIA used them as expendable goons that must mean they are ready to let them take over the whole country and do the holocaust again your right we should live in fear and jack off to the blood soaked nightmare you predict ur right
Literally the most badass guy I ever met fought in shorts and flip flops, if the German people don’t roll over like they did last time I’m sure they’ll be fine
this pretty much proves you have no fucking idea what you are talking about
actual trained and equipped soldiers with assault rifles vs mostly unarmed and unorganised civilians, some of whom may have spent a year or two in the bundeswehr
yeah, that's gonna go fantastically
Dresden was American/British m8. My grandfather still has a Kraut skull from the war left over in the attic that used to be an ash tray
the USSR is pretty much the main reason the allies won the war "m8", and your granddad is a psychopath
Oh shit their version of the CIA used them as expendable goons
No, they were actively covering for them because the verfassungsshutz is also full of nazis from the same groups
that must mean they are ready to let them take over the whole country and do the holocaust again
you don't even know what fascism actually is do you
your right we should live in fear and jack off to the blood soaked nightmare you predict ur right
actual trained and equipped soldiers with assault rifles vs mostly unarmed and unorganised civilians, some of whom may have spent a year or two in the bundeswehr yeah, that’s gonna go fantastically
They got the will? They'll fucking win. It's not even gonna come to that though because the kraut CIA will lock em up long before that
your granddad is a psychopath
Nah he was a fucking chad bro he "killed more Germans than you got hair on your head"
No, they were actively covering for them because the verfassungsshutz is also full of nazis from the same groups
Yeah, Nazis are great street goons for intelligence agencies. That's a big fucking difference between "hey guys go kill this leftist" and "HEY MAN COME ON INTO MAINSTREAM POLITICAL THOUGHT! WANT A SODA? WE MADE THIS ONE OUT OF THE BONES OF MURDERED JEWS!"
this macho shit is so fucking transparent
My dude, al you guys fearing a dead political movement from the 1930's with literally no mainstream political support is clearly some kind of weird Libido shit. Matt had yous pegged months ago I aint gonna rephrase shit that the discourse (TM) already went over
Prove me wrong pal, cuz all I'm seeing from you is some diseased kraut that think his military is worth two shits and whining about a Trump ripoff political party is Totally Really Absolutely Fascism I Swear This Time Guys (TM) like I didn't see this shit for Bush or Thatcher or any of those other neolib cunts
You know what I mean. This Robert Evans fear you guys got of the nazis coming back is a masturbation fantasy because organizing is hard compared to shooting people in the streets in an apocalyptic war
Hotter take: Fascism is a dead ideology and yous guys are pissing yourselves over something that aint never coming back because the idea of an apocalyptic war/massacre where guys into weird runes and shit kill millions is more libidinally satisfying than the autumn of neoliberalism we got
Bad take, fascism is inevitable under capitalism. Eventually masses of people won't be happy with the status quo after some crisis and will want change, liberals will of course then side with the fascists to stop socialists from taking over
"dude it happened like a hundred years ago in completely different societal, environmental, and technological circumstances so it's guaranteed to happen again have you listened to it could happen here man Robert's such a prophet wifouwhgiuwfoiwgwig"
I like the man's work too but yous aughta broaden your horizon looking at history. It doesn't start and stop in germany from 1918 to 1945 you know
Who the fuck are you talking about? Also can you give a fucking argument against what I said instead of just deciding things have changed so fascism just has to be one of them?
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You have no idea what fascism is do you? Do you think the fascists that rose in Nazi Germany were the pinnacle of their society? Fascism arises in humiliated nations and appeals to the most insecure, it mythologizes their past and promises to take it back by fighting the people who took them down from the inside. There is no way the world has changed to make this impossible. It is still the end stage of capitalism. When a socialist movement arises in a capitalist country that has gone through disasters that has made the majority willing to bring down the liberal status quo, fascist movements rise too, blaming hated minorities for the state of the nation. The liberals side with the fascists because it's better for them than socialism. Can you give a reason why that's not the most logical future for America? The US is still the wealthiest, most powerful nation in the world and already has wannabe fascist leaders promising a return to a better past through persecuting minorities. You actually admit to Trump being at least similar to a 'real' fascist but decide that because he's a pussy that means fascism in america can absolutely never come to power. Things are only going to get worse for America, and fascism will only gain power under those conditions.
Also I really hope you're just a kid, otherwise calling people pussies online for disagreeing with your hare-brained take is really embarrassing
Nah, but they could take a fucking punch though. You know hitler like personally beat KPD guys half to death during the kapfzeit? Can you see modern conservatives doing that? The fucking weeping pussy bitches that freak out when they see protests gasp block traffic!? The same guys that run like effeminate weaklings when you shoot a firecracker near their house or send em an anonymous text message of their house late at night?
They're cowards. You wanna jack off. I get it, bit you really shouldn't cum in public spaces man, it's unbecoming.
If you're trying to imply you've scared fascists with those methods you've mentioned I'm calling bullshit, you've never done praxis in your life. You once again miss the entire fucking point. Notice how I talked about fascism*gaining_*power? Fascists in America aren't willing to risk taking a punch because they're not desperate enough to put themselves at risk. But times are going to get harder for America, and people will become more willing to put themselves in harms way because what they have to lose will steadily decrease. You still haven't given a single reason why the process of capitalism decaying into fascism can't happen in the modern day, you just continue to point out the same obvious fact that it hasn't happened right at this moment, as if that means it can't happen.
You really need to drop this edgy affectation of calling people pussies and that whole weird last line you wrote. I mean this as genuine advice, it makes you look like a fucking neckbeard.
nah. The bodies will pile six fucking high and nobody will care. I'm literally coughing like I never have before and have a fever of 100 and my fucking idiot father still insists on visiting me. Americans are effeminate cucks that will let the cold fist of capitalism clock them so fucking hard their jaw will dislocate and will submissively offer the other side of their face
literally no social cohesion or organization for one. It is impossible to create a mass movement in the digital age
I'm talking about a long term trend, not covid. I don't think fascists will take over America because of the pandemic, if that's what you thought I meant. America is slowly losing it's position as hegemon and its society becomes constantly more stratified. That's all before you even factor in climate change and the effect that's gonna have to even put food on the table. Long term, a slide in to fascism should be expected. They aren't doing shit during the pandemic because they don't care, these were mostly the people who wanted no lockdown for the inconvenience it would cause them, they don't give a shit about mass death if they think they'll be fine and they still get to be comfortable.
It's not impossible to create a mass movement in the digital age. People are perfectly capable of organising, it's just that the nations where the internet is the most accessible, the people are the most comfortable. When the world really starts to degrade, masses of people will be more willing to join radical movements on both ends of the political spectrum, regardless of technology.
Yes it is! Dude people got netflix, Lays potato chips, legal or mostly legal weed, and free internet. Mass movements are fucking dead! It's all atomization from here on out
Dude, You relize none of that matters right? They don't see that! Those numbers, them graphs, whatever BS you show to people to show them that America fuckin sucks now they just ignore! Fuckin hell, how old are you? Reality! IS! DEAD! none of it matters! As long as you get those fucking cucks watching the right fucking screens you will never see change, and they have literal AI and every behavioral scientist and psychologist in the world making sure they will
You're assuming peoples lives will stay as comfortable as they are now. Like I said, things are going to get much worse long term. Maybe they can keep the netflix if that infrastructure can be supported, but that'll mean fuck all when they can barely survive. I mentioned americas change in power because that is a factor that directly effects its citizens material conditions. This relatively luxurious lifestyle you speak of is built on exploitation of the third world that may not be able to continue as severely when America can't roll over whoever it likes. Then there is climate change and the dwindling resources these luxuries are in large part based on. If America can't support that lifestyle anymore, people will look for it to come back. That's when you'll have socialist movements looking to redistribute and create a more efficient system, and fascist movements promising to regain previous glory. You're talking about an obvious reality, that comfortable people don't put their lives at risk, and acting like something fundamental has changed in people and it doesn't matter how material conditions change from here on out.
just wanna chime in to say that this is a cool way to talk in my opinion
so according to you, the AfD, grey wolves, and golden dawn don't exist and the Verfassungsschutz and the KSK aren't full of neo-nazis who have been stockpiling weapons for years
jesus fucking christ
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german special forces commandos are now pussies according to someone who has probably never been in a fight in their life and thinks that using autistic as an insult is acceptable
Man , I was in the US Navy, I met guys in the German military, they're a pack of paper tigers wrapped in tin foil. I know you desperately wanna jack off to the idea of fascism coming back but I'm sorry man, it aint happening
Hey man, I've killed more people than you probably, so I feel like I can judge a pack of whining krauts crying when the cable reception is bad in Afghanistan better than you
Oh shit no the German special forces! Oh they're so scary! They're a country that we cut their fucking balls off in the 40's and have never given it back since then I'm so scared, the Germans! What will I do!? They may post mean shit on 4chan before they all get arrested by GS9!
They are actual soldiers who will be fighting civillians, if it comes down to it
something you should be familiar with, what with the whole war crimes thing you do
thought you were a yank, not russian
which part of "german domestic intelligence have been covering for them for years" do you not understand?
Literally the most badass guy I ever met fought in shorts and flip flops, if the German people don't roll over like they did last time I'm sure they'll be fine
Dresden was American/British m8. My grandfather still has a Kraut skull from the war left over in the attic that used to be an ash tray
Oh shit their version of the CIA used them as expendable goons that must mean they are ready to let them take over the whole country and do the holocaust again your right we should live in fear and jack off to the blood soaked nightmare you predict ur right
this pretty much proves you have no fucking idea what you are talking about
actual trained and equipped soldiers with assault rifles vs mostly unarmed and unorganised civilians, some of whom may have spent a year or two in the bundeswehr yeah, that's gonna go fantastically
the USSR is pretty much the main reason the allies won the war "m8", and your granddad is a psychopath
No, they were actively covering for them because the verfassungsshutz is also full of nazis from the same groups
you don't even know what fascism actually is do you
this macho shit is so fucking transparent
They got the will? They'll fucking win. It's not even gonna come to that though because the kraut CIA will lock em up long before that
Nah he was a fucking chad bro he "killed more Germans than you got hair on your head"
Yeah, Nazis are great street goons for intelligence agencies. That's a big fucking difference between "hey guys go kill this leftist" and "HEY MAN COME ON INTO MAINSTREAM POLITICAL THOUGHT! WANT A SODA? WE MADE THIS ONE OUT OF THE BONES OF MURDERED JEWS!"
My dude, al you guys fearing a dead political movement from the 1930's with literally no mainstream political support is clearly some kind of weird Libido shit. Matt had yous pegged months ago I aint gonna rephrase shit that the discourse (TM) already went over
lol, imagine actually listening to the brooklyn libs, no wonder you have no idea what fascism is
Prove me wrong pal, cuz all I'm seeing from you is some diseased kraut that think his military is worth two shits and whining about a Trump ripoff political party is Totally Really Absolutely Fascism I Swear This Time Guys (TM) like I didn't see this shit for Bush or Thatcher or any of those other neolib cunts
you came up with the fucking ridiculous take in the first place, you prove yourself right
not german
this from a us navy enlisted
still don't know what fascism is huh?
I fucking knew you were a Christmanist, you tried doing one of his rants to me.
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You know what I mean. This Robert Evans fear you guys got of the nazis coming back is a masturbation fantasy because organizing is hard compared to shooting people in the streets in an apocalyptic war