...you're politically illiterate.

    • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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      FFS The hungarian revolution wasn't fucking anticommunist, it's fucking nationalist propaganda.

      • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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        ✓ Pogroms of jews

        ✓ Killing of communists

        ✓ Doors of jews houses marked with a black cross an doors of communists marked for the white terror extermination squads when they thought they'd win

        ✓ Mi6 funding the fascist revolutionaries

        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/mi6-trained-rebels-to-fight-soviets-in-hungarian-revolt-1359599.html

      • Ewball_Oust [comrade/them]
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        FFS The hungarian revolution wasn’t fucking anticommunist, it’s fucking nationalist propaganda.

        TBF it was all over the spectrum: marxists, anarchists, socdems, liberals, and nazis were all involved

        There were pogroms, and there were lynchings of party members... at least part of the uprising was reactionary

        • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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          part of the uprising

          That's the key part here, yes, there were far right elements involved, but they never got control of the movement, they weren't even allowed to take part in the workers' councils that coordinated it. They were a vigilante, independent movement.

          Unfortunately it was enough so that the current government can push the narrative through lobbyists that it was indeed an anticommunist revolution even though the goals the movement had are explicitly communist,

          • Ewball_Oust [comrade/them]
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            The thing is we are talking about two and a half weeks here, and there was no truly ideologically unified movement. The only thing that unified them was that they hated the USSR.

            The most famous document from the uprising is the "16 demands" - this was compiled by one faction, the college students, and even this isn't completely coherent. Like some points seem very communist, even left communist, but they are also demanding a multi party (liberal?) system, "reconsidering the planned economy" and there's also a demand about supporting "individual farmers" (Help the kulaks!)

            And this is just one faction

            So obviously most people grab one aspect and claim "this is what the uprising was about"

            The soviet-communists obviuosly emphasized the reactionary, ultra right wing elements. And who's to say they are *completely * wrong? The Nyilas party seized power mere 11 years before

            Liberals emphasize the multiparty demands

            Leftcoms emphasize the workers' councils

            Nationalists emphasize the anti-russian part

            It was all up in the air to be honest

            • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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              I mean I'm much more comfortable with talking about it as a shitstorm, because it was more akin to that. but the general opinion of 56 on this site is that it was a fundamentally right wing revolution, which is not true.

        • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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          There's hardly any, because since it happened, it's constantly a field of ideological battleground and so there aren't any good accounts that were written by hungarian marxists that are available in English

          This by Gáspár Miklós Tamás is basically the closest i could find and there's a passage in C.L.R. James' Facing Reality about it - which misses two pages as it seems.