Yup. Even with all of his disastrous policies, it was still drastically better than capitalism until the very end, not to mention all the other socialist countries that relied on it even then.
You clearly have no idea how horrible the fall of the USSR was for the people living there.
And even an anti-USSR anarchist should be able to recognize that socialist projects that do meet the needs of the people can be destroyed by the forces of imperialism.
You clearly have no idea how horrible the fall of the USSR was for the people living there.
idk man my current squeeze is a Ukrainian immigrant, her dad has told me of how utterly fucked the USSR was in the last 20 years of it's existence. Literally everybody knew the system was failing and there was widespread misery and alcoholism and shit to cope. Things were fucked there for a while before the collapse, that's like how collapses work y'know
should be able to recognize that socialist projects that do meet the needs of the people can be destroyed by the forces of imperialism.
I aint an anarchist but I am a "working government that doesn't collapse in on itself-ist" and the USSR fails that test by not even making it 65 years. Fucking China lasted linger than that because they were practical and looked for solutions instead of jerking off their glorious history for 40 years while every gain they made was lapped by the capitalist west.
idk man my current squeeze is a Ukrainian immigrant, her dad has told me of how utterly fucked the USSR was in the last 20 years of it’s existence.
And yet it was worse or no better than the neoliberal hollowing out, the resurgence of fascism, the mass poverty and unemployment and homelessness and child prostitution that followed it?
The vast majority of people did not want the USSR to fall. A western poll carried out a year beforehand demonstrated this. Most people who lived in the USSR regret that it fell, in every post-Soviet country except Uzbekistan for some reason.
I aint an anarchist but I am a “working government that doesn’t collapse in on itself-ist” and the USSR fails that test by not even making it 65 years.
An unstable socialist system that allows itself to be coopted is not just as bad as capitalist one. A socialist government that fails to defend itself from internal and external subversion and falls in what was essentially a coup is a tragedy, but to deny that it offered a far better standard of living than what came after and that it actually did allow workers some control over the economy is bullshit.
And yet it was worse or no better than the neoliberal hollowing out, the resurgence of fascism, the mass poverty and unemployment and homelessness and child prostitution that followed it?
It directly led to that. The USSR's failure led to the 90's.
The vast majority of people did not want the USSR to fall.
Yeah, no shit. Most Americans don't want America to fall either. Not that it matters much, the system guarantees failure
blah blah blah unstable better cappie quality of life
Ok still fell though. Shit system, dead end style of government. Like you realize that if a country collapses it is proven to be running on a shit foundation right? Especially a world-bestriding colossus like the USSR that manages to kill itself from sheer economic mismanagement
Even under Gorbachev? Lol
Yup. Even with all of his disastrous policies, it was still drastically better than capitalism until the very end, not to mention all the other socialist countries that relied on it even then.
It was not socialist under gorbachev. If you believe that then you are so revisionist that your basically a socdem.
if it was better it wouldn't have collapsed lol
You clearly have no idea how horrible the fall of the USSR was for the people living there.
And even an anti-USSR anarchist should be able to recognize that socialist projects that do meet the needs of the people can be destroyed by the forces of imperialism.
idk man my current squeeze is a Ukrainian immigrant, her dad has told me of how utterly fucked the USSR was in the last 20 years of it's existence. Literally everybody knew the system was failing and there was widespread misery and alcoholism and shit to cope. Things were fucked there for a while before the collapse, that's like how collapses work y'know
I aint an anarchist but I am a "working government that doesn't collapse in on itself-ist" and the USSR fails that test by not even making it 65 years. Fucking China lasted linger than that because they were practical and looked for solutions instead of jerking off their glorious history for 40 years while every gain they made was lapped by the capitalist west.
And yet it was worse or no better than the neoliberal hollowing out, the resurgence of fascism, the mass poverty and unemployment and homelessness and child prostitution that followed it?
The vast majority of people did not want the USSR to fall. A western poll carried out a year beforehand demonstrated this. Most people who lived in the USSR regret that it fell, in every post-Soviet country except Uzbekistan for some reason.
An unstable socialist system that allows itself to be coopted is not just as bad as capitalist one. A socialist government that fails to defend itself from internal and external subversion and falls in what was essentially a coup is a tragedy, but to deny that it offered a far better standard of living than what came after and that it actually did allow workers some control over the economy is bullshit.
It directly led to that. The USSR's failure led to the 90's.
Yeah, no shit. Most Americans don't want America to fall either. Not that it matters much, the system guarantees failure
Ok still fell though. Shit system, dead end style of government. Like you realize that if a country collapses it is proven to be running on a shit foundation right? Especially a world-bestriding colossus like the USSR that manages to kill itself from sheer economic mismanagement