yeah it's definitely helpful for a lot of stuff
however I was looking for electric toothbrushes and all the comments are
"oral b good, sonicare bad"
"no sonicare bad, oral b good"
so Idk. Also it's purposely unclear what the difference between them are at the different price levels, so even more idk
wow actually useful OP, I thought I was seeing male and female blue tits, but I was seeing blue and great tits :)
there's a time when all humans didn't live under capitalism but there was never a time when all humans didn't eat meat :big-cool:
sorry for not engaging with you more, I don’t like the effect these online conversations have on my brain. I feel like I get addicted to Being Right.
I just want to say that it is a misconception that the “Health” in HAES is a noun rather than a verb. It's not saying that people can be considered healthy at any size, but that people at any size can pursue healthiness — which may or may not correlate with weight loss. HAES isn't just for fat people, which is why becoming healthier might include gaining muscle and therefore weight.
sorry for not engaging with you more, I don't like the effect these online conversations have on my brain. I feel like I get addicted to Being Right.
Anyway, I just want to make an analogy that I've been thinking about that hopefully will be helpful for seeing our common ground. Our idea of cleanliness - in terms of laundry, dirty dishes etc - is based in science (germs, fungus etc) and in culture (squeaky clean, clothes should smell a certain way). It is possible to highlight that our mental models of cleanliness have been corrupted by soap companies to make us hold our environments to a higher standard than they realistically need to be. In making that argument, people may object and say "how can you defend eating raw chicken? don't you know how dangerous germs are?". And like yes. In many cases, of course you need to be clean, however that isn't what the discussion is actually about.
I'm not saying that there are no negative health factors for heavier people, but the framing that we're using isn't about how much it sucks to be fat. We all, especially fat people, know that. I'm trying to provide other, novel perspectives that will hopefully expand our mental models and help us to think of this in a completely new way.
you're purposely picking 400lbs people bc you see them as indefensible.
I'm asking you to question why someone with a BMI over 25, but lives a healthy and active lifestyle, is classified as obese and the impact that has on their lives.
My life wouldn’t be easier if I were thin. My life would be easier if this culture wasn’t obsessed with oppressing me because I’m fat. The solution to a problem like bigotry is not to do everything in our power to accommodate the bigotry. It is to get rid of the bigotry.
You cannot earn freedom through conformity. You cannot buy your way in. And we can only claim it when we recognize it is already ours.
I agree with you, sadly the current open and free software movements suck :( See:
I wouldn't say everything given recent history (and being a libertarian)
non-snarky answer: read the intro to the Fearing the Black Body piece linked above and consider whether fatness being bad is such an apriori belief or one fueled by the billion dollar diet industry
so called free-thinkers when they are asked to confront their learned fatphobia
ahah the context is just rooting reactionary thought out of this community. Idk the dude at all, but if he's like a comedian/actor/personality I think it's fine to have the emoji. Like fat people are funny! but fat people being the joke is fatphobic
I'm not engaging in this conversation until you read that piece. Health at Every Size is a very specific movement, it's not just the meaning you assign to the words. There's a little FAQ at the end of that piece with common myths, one of the myths is "The HAES model argues that people of every size must be healthy"
You've created a strawman of HAES and you're asking me to defend it, please read the article from last week https://www.dropbox.com/s/ybfbkqak4wtu3wp/What%20is%20%22Health%20at%20Every%20Size%22%3F.pdf?dl=0
There's a bit of a tricky situation though, in that just because you lose weight doesn't automatically mean you are healthier. Anorexic women are praised by society for their unhealthy eating habits, and fat anorexic women:
Erin Harrop, a researcher at the University of Washington, studies higher-weight women with anorexia, who, contrary to the size-zero stereotype of most media depictions, are twice as likely to report vomiting, using laxatives and abusing diet pills. Thin women, Harrop discovered, take around three years to get into treatment, while her participants spent an average of 13 and a half years waiting for their disorders to be addressed.
The HAES movement moves the focus from losing weight, as dieting is a strong predictor of eating disorders:
In a large study of 14– and 15-year-olds, dieting was the most important predictor of a developing eating disorder. Those who dieted moderately were 5x more likely to develop an eating disorder, and those who practiced extreme restriction were 18x more likely to develop an eating disorder than those who did not diet. Golden, N. H., Schneider, M., & Wood, C. (2016). Preventing Obesity and Eating Disorders in Adolescents. Pediatrics, 138(3). doi:10.1542/peds.2016-1649
Staying active and eat intuitively do lead to losing weight, but there are many ways to lose weight and harm your body. By focusing on health, you avoid a lot of these pitfalls
just to let you know, losing weight with your walk to work is something that is completely compatible with Health at Every Size. Like HAES doesn't say you can't lose weight, but that you should stay active, eat intuitively and losing weight can be a side effect of those healthier choices.* It's hard for me to imagine that focusing on being healthy, rather focusing on decreasing your weight is complete bs.
From what I can tell, I think you are mistaken that the "Health" in HAES is a noun rather than a verb
edit: I meant * you should pursue staying active, eating intuitively rather than pursuing losing weight itself
I don't think I can respond directly to your first point, as I think we are working from very different premises. I think being fat is normal and okay, and you think that it is inherently unhealthy. I recommend the Health at Every Size reading from last week if you would like to understand where I'm coming from.
and I think you can just as easily say having a body is medical. The emphasis in my phrasing is arbitrarily, it's difficult to say what is obese and what isn't, as body fat is distributed differently across races, body types etc.
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this is gonna be horse_ebooks all over again isn't it