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https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/k3d6rb/youtube_suppresses_video_criticizing_the_cia/ge2fmxq/?context=3

  • thefunkycomitatus [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    This person doesn't understand that their beloved rationality and empiricism is a trap, a bastardization of actual rationality. What their complaint about sources essentially boils down to is that if there isn't an article about it in WaPo or a section on wikipedia for it, then it's not supported by evidence. Therefore it can't be a valid claim. If they don't recognize how insane that kind of epistemology is, then idk what to say. But it's just yet another side effect of capitalism. Your facts must be a commodity in order to be real facts.

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      And "where are the sources" is academic nitpicking, anyway. Reality doesn't change just because your video or paper or whatever doesn't have an extensive bibliography. A lack of sources means you're doing spotty academic work, but it doesn't make your claims untrue.

      • Rem [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Peak reddit argument is just > quoting every paragraph of someone's post and responding "Source?"

      • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        These people think they're all still in school. They need to grow the fuck up.

        • vorenza [any]
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          4 years ago

          I disagree. Sources are not solely there so that you "prove" what is presented is factual(although it is nice to see where the information comes from), they are there so that someone can use your video as an entrypoint to read about the subject itself more throughly. They aren't obligatory of course but it would be way better if they were a standart for this type of video essay.

          • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            In the video in question he states in the intro that he's going over the subject in brief and has links to other videos that more thoroughly detail the subjects. I do agree with you that sources are nice, and pointing people in the right direction for their own edification is important.

      • thefunkycomitatus [he/him,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        They never care about sources when they make claims. It's only when they're challenged themselves. This is extremely common on reddit. Someone will post several times saying crazy shit then when you're like "no, actually CIA bad" they want a MLA bibliography. They don't understand that reddit isn't an academic thesis, it's at best a casual conversation. Demanding sources from everyone but yourself is sloppy and stupid. So much for the intellectual right.

    • read_freire [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      build an iron man, or play the devil's advocate

      The bias understander has logged on

      • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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        4 years ago

        *snort* Ah my ignorant young friend, it seems you have *high pitched nervous chuckle* fallen into the common intellectual tarpit of the in posterioris receptandus fallacy. Your whole argument simply does not maintain. Really my dear, surely this is something you learned in primary school?

    • Wheaties [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      It's also blatantly ignoring the declassified CIA docs the video did cite.

    • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      that's par for the course for Sam Harris, so probably extends to his fanbois

  • spinachupper [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I've gotten Reddit DMs replying to comments I made 2 years ago making fun of Sam Harris from his fans trying to debate me about how he won his argument with Ben Affleck. They are insane.

  • p_sharikov [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    assuming the thread isn't removed

    The thread was removed, lol

  • fitterr
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    9 months ago

    deleted by creator

  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    He could have just asked to be shoved into a locker.

  • kilternkafuffle [any]
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    4 years ago

    Private business should be banned of course :stalin-shining: , but YT censorship IS a free speech issue even if you allow private platforms to limit speech. YouTube is owned by Google and Google is a federal contractor. Allowing YouTube to censor is indirectly allowing the government to censor. (Argument stolen from Second Thought themselves.)

    • Pezevenk [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Nah. This is pretty much entirely incorrect, there is no requirement for federal contractors to have to platform anyone. It's just not a 1st amendment issue, but that shouldn't be the point because the constitution sucks ass anyways.