So I never really got this one. It seems like she is a polarizing figure here, but why is that? Also, what's the joke behind the "amber" bot?
So I never really got this one. It seems like she is a polarizing figure here, but why is that? Also, what's the joke behind the "amber" bot?
Her take and yours is garbage because it pretends Abolish the Police advocates haven't already grappled and addressed the fact that black communities obviously want security alongside the elimination of police brutality, it's also racist for assuming black people don't have nuanced takes on the subject of policing or aren't open to alternative concepts when advanced, it assumes the black monolith exists and is eternally static and intentionally misinterprets polls concerning police and security in black communities, especially in regards to black youth
So of course you dumb fuck stupidpol reducts would latch on to that shit, "hurr durr black people arne't woke, suck it wokescolds" eat shit bootlicker, socialism and the elimination of capitalism are also "minoritiarian" positions, or did that just not occur to you? lol
Well no actually. No one was insinuating that black people are incapable of nuance or that moving funds from police depts to social workers etc is impossible or bad. Of course people are down with alternatives to policing when given the option, but the efficacy of promoting that through the phrase "abolish the police" is in question. If people have immediate material public safety concerns in their neighborhood how are abolitionists going to convince them that security personnel aren't going to be as brutal as cops but just as effective? How would you convince them that this isn't just reforming the existing police depts? If people are desperate how are you going to convince them to not cede any power to cops and begin a drawn out process that might make their already dangerous neighborhoods even worse before they get better? No one is saying that our current model isn't racist and doesn't suck, but the rhetoric from abolitionists is unconvincing for many people as it stands. There are a multitude of approaches to decreasing police presence and violence that don't have to contend with the phrase "abolish the police" just like how marxists will advocate for socialism before they advocate for communism. Also one of Amber's main points is that "abolish the police" is as nebulous a movement as BLM in that it isn't highly organized and is more of a label for many different organizations with different goals and tactics. If you were involved in Occupy like she was I can see why you'd be skeptical. Reformist began coopting "abolish the police" just like they coopted "abolish ice" and M4A, so it is actually really unclear what someone actually means when they say they're supportive of police abolition. I've not just armchair posting warrioring this topic. Try talking to people who are just tired of their neighborhoods being unsafe first about disarmament and come back and tell me how well the word abolition tracks. Also I see you editing "bitch" to "bootlicker" u fucking coward fuck you.
Amber.
Police abolition is not some new concept that emerged this year out of nowhere completely unformed and lacking any theoretical or practical structure, it's a body of theory that has been developing for decades and already has 20% of black people polled backing it, you and Amber's ignorance and isolation from the movement and your illusionary static racist conception of black opinion is the fuckin problem, not the theory behind the concept or its amazing successful but limited advancement
lol simp
Bootlicker sounded better, but I'll call you bitch right here BITCH
I'm not ignorant to the fact that it's not new and you aren't any more correct because you keep repeating yourself on that front. Anarchism is hundreds of years old and still doesn't have a proven methodology to reach its goals. I'm with police and prison abolition on its end goals but you're naïve if you think full abolition is possible without a generation or two of global socialism and delusional to try and jump to it in 2020 US. Your refusal to even engage with even the lightest good-faith criticism of the movement is why people are skeptical and indicates that you (you personally CyborgMarx) have a lot of work to do it you're going to convince anyone who isn't already 110% uncritically in your camp.
Anarchism isn't backed by 20% of black people, so let's not compare apples and oranges
Good thing prison abolitionists never believed in that strawman you just made up, and "two generations of glObal sOciaLsim" well that's sure convenient, that social position of yours must be real comfy huh?
You're not engaging in good faith criticism you patronizing puke, and I could give less of a fuck about "convincing" any milk colored neanderthal on the internet, as long as you wreckers are side lined in the larger DIVERSE movement I'm happy
Amber.