So I never really got this one. It seems like she is a polarizing figure here, but why is that? Also, what's the joke behind the "amber" bot?
Pretty sure it's because her takes are often the hottest, most controversial takes, and because of that, mentioning Amber (Amber) in any post became a meme in and of itself. I think.
Ah, ok. Can you give me an example of something she said that rustled feathers? Just trying to put things into context
About a month ago she went off on the idiots who thought COVID-19 was airborne. They were overreacting like they do to everything regarding it. It being airborne was one of the big discoveries of the month prior and her bad take may as well been anti-masker shit.
This is the pattern I've seen the most of. She'll talk about touchy idpol topics without hesitation -- and usually in a way that's far from unreasonable -- and then people will play telephone with it until it turns into a vague accusation of her being bigoted somehow.
So are Amber stans just gonna pretend ep 435 never happened? lol that's fuckin hilarious
Amber stans
This doesn't exist, at least not in a place where everyone routinely jokes about not even listening to the podcast. No idea what episode you're referring to, either, or what supposedly irredeemable thing she said on it.
If there's anything of value to be mined from a who-fucking-cares-about-this internet drama, it's that accusations aimed at anyone even broadly on the left should at the very least be specific.
Amber stans absolutely do exist, I should know, I was one of them, and I literally wrote Episode 435 so what do you mean "what episode I'm referring too?" and if you're so concerned with the non-"specificity" of accusations against left figures then maybe you should take a listen to the episode and judge for yourself instead of just reflexively defending some rich cocaine-addled hipster with dogshit politics
jokes about not even listening to the podcast
it isn't a joke, the podcast is genuinely shit and i do not understand why anyone would listen to it
Smoking is cool and good and you should blow secondhand smoke into baby faces or something.
https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1333172294626074627?s=19
Same kind of people who think this tweet is 100% heartfelt and sincere.
She's being hyperbolic but she's also being serious.
If that's the interpretation, what's there to be upset about?
The obliviously hyperbolic bit (blow smoke in a kid's face) is a joke, and whatever your impression of the serious part is (probably something like "no one likes a Puritanical anti-intoxicant scold") isn't so far out in left field that anyone should have a real issue with it.
I thought it was pretty clear she was gainsaying secondhand smoke concerns, and while she's being hyperbolic about intentionally exposing babies, she also thinks she should be able to smoke where-ever she likes regardless of what anyone of the scolds think.
That's might not be unambiguously the case, but it does fit with her aloof misanthrope aesthetic.
she also thinks she should be able to smoke where-ever she likes regardless of what anyone of the scolds think
This seems like reading the worst possible intentions into a statement that we both agree was not meant to be 100% serious.
she spins up nuclear takes on the fly, like a true cowboy poster. sooner or later, we all get burnt by the heat... but wokescolds and pearlclutchers can't handle the furnace and make it out like she's a no-goodnik.
in contrast, i've found her longform articles on sensitive topics to be some of the most thoughtful, insightful and gentle political pieces ive ever read.
in conclusion, amber is a land of contrasts.
Calling blm protesters minoritarians isn't just some "off the cuff cowboy hot take on the fly" it's fuckin racist, and she can eat shit
She didn't say that you dumb asshole she said that full police abolitionism is a minoritarian position (which is just reality whether you like that or not). It isn't fucking racist to point out that many poverty stricken black neighborhoods actually do want more policing either (look at how they vote for expanding police budgets). Manifold reasons why both of those things are the way they are but if you're trying to have a discussion on a podcast about US police and the racial violence they administer then you actually SHOULD address them. Ignoring salient data to not piss off illiterate wokescolds actually sucks and if hearing that upsets you then you aren't really interested in winning jack shit.
Anyways Amber is based.
Her take and yours is garbage because it pretends Abolish the Police advocates haven't already grappled and addressed the fact that black communities obviously want security alongside the elimination of police brutality, it's also racist for assuming black people don't have nuanced takes on the subject of policing or aren't open to alternative concepts when advanced, it assumes the black monolith exists and is eternally static and intentionally misinterprets polls concerning police and security in black communities, especially in regards to black youth
So of course you dumb fuck stupidpol reducts would latch on to that shit, "hurr durr black people arne't woke, suck it wokescolds" eat shit bootlicker, socialism and the elimination of capitalism are also "minoritiarian" positions, or did that just not occur to you? lol
Well no actually. No one was insinuating that black people are incapable of nuance or that moving funds from police depts to social workers etc is impossible or bad. Of course people are down with alternatives to policing when given the option, but the efficacy of promoting that through the phrase "abolish the police" is in question. If people have immediate material public safety concerns in their neighborhood how are abolitionists going to convince them that security personnel aren't going to be as brutal as cops but just as effective? How would you convince them that this isn't just reforming the existing police depts? If people are desperate how are you going to convince them to not cede any power to cops and begin a drawn out process that might make their already dangerous neighborhoods even worse before they get better? No one is saying that our current model isn't racist and doesn't suck, but the rhetoric from abolitionists is unconvincing for many people as it stands. There are a multitude of approaches to decreasing police presence and violence that don't have to contend with the phrase "abolish the police" just like how marxists will advocate for socialism before they advocate for communism. Also one of Amber's main points is that "abolish the police" is as nebulous a movement as BLM in that it isn't highly organized and is more of a label for many different organizations with different goals and tactics. If you were involved in Occupy like she was I can see why you'd be skeptical. Reformist began coopting "abolish the police" just like they coopted "abolish ice" and M4A, so it is actually really unclear what someone actually means when they say they're supportive of police abolition. I've not just armchair posting warrioring this topic. Try talking to people who are just tired of their neighborhoods being unsafe first about disarmament and come back and tell me how well the word abolition tracks. Also I see you editing "bitch" to "bootlicker" u fucking coward fuck you.
Police abolition is not some new concept that emerged this year out of nowhere completely unformed and lacking any theoretical or practical structure, it's a body of theory that has been developing for decades and already has 20% of black people polled backing it, you and Amber's ignorance and isolation from the movement and your illusionary static racist conception of black opinion is the fuckin problem, not the theory behind the concept or its amazing successful but limited advancement
If you were involved in Occupy like she was I can see why you’d be skeptical
lol simp
Also I see you editing “bitch” to “bootlicker” u fucking coward fuck you.
Bootlicker sounded better, but I'll call you bitch right here BITCH
I'm not ignorant to the fact that it's not new and you aren't any more correct because you keep repeating yourself on that front. Anarchism is hundreds of years old and still doesn't have a proven methodology to reach its goals. I'm with police and prison abolition on its end goals but you're naïve if you think full abolition is possible without a generation or two of global socialism and delusional to try and jump to it in 2020 US. Your refusal to even engage with even the lightest good-faith criticism of the movement is why people are skeptical and indicates that you (you personally CyborgMarx) have a lot of work to do it you're going to convince anyone who isn't already 110% uncritically in your camp.
Anarchism isn't backed by 20% of black people, so let's not compare apples and oranges
I’m with police and prison abolition on its end goals but you’re naïve if you think full abolition is possible without a generation or two of global socialism and delusional to try and jump to it in 2020 US.
Good thing prison abolitionists never believed in that strawman you just made up, and "two generations of glObal sOciaLsim" well that's sure convenient, that social position of yours must be real comfy huh?
Your refusal to even engage with even the lightest good-faith criticism
You're not engaging in good faith criticism you patronizing puke, and I could give less of a fuck about "convincing" any milk colored neanderthal on the internet, as long as you wreckers are side lined in the larger DIVERSE movement I'm happy
It's funny how in English every "neutral" insult is male-coded.
Here, have some gender neutral insults:
- Asshole
- Fucker
- Shitbag
- Piece of shit
- Bastard
- Dumbass
- Dumbshit
- Shitstain
listen to the episode they did with matt taibbi about cancel culture and you'll start to get it
