Fires burning for hours collapsed a floor in 7, which caused a domino effect down through the floors below. The building’s supports no longer had lateral load stabilization and in fact had in imbalanced lateral support via the outer areas of the floor that did not yet collapse.
With the middle hollowing itself out and the weight of the outside pushing in, the vertical supports buckled and collapsed near the bottom (bearing the most weight), and this is why it looks a lot like a controlled implosion.
It’s the same reason why the towers mostly fell straight down. How much do the floors above the planes weigh? And how much more force does that apply over the weight the structure was designed to handle after it’s been in motion - not even free fall, just in motion - for 13-ish feet (or whatever the height of each floor was? When they fall you can see material spewing out sideways as the large mass of the upper towers mashes down on the building below. It gains steam as it falls as more and more weight is in motion.
You can say a lot about the actions of the US government fostering the animosity towards this country, about their willingness or ignorance that allowed the attacks to succeed, and the atrocities committed in the supposed name of justice that followed that day for the next two decades, but for 22 fucking years you haven’t, you’ve been lost in a brainworm soup and been distracted from organizing against the real problems.
You can say a lot about the actions of the US government fostering the animosity towards this country, about their willingness or ignorance that allowed the attacks to succeed, and the atrocities committed in the supposed name of justice that followed that day for the next two decades, but for 22 fucking years you haven’t, you’ve been lost in a brainworm soup and been distracted from organizing against the real problems.
Seems pretty clear to me. A lot of this conspiracy stuff just distracts from how awful the ruling class of this country is. The people who repeat the 9/11 theories often seem to be cranks that couldn't care less about people in other countries, even though they try to depict 9/11 as the evil of the US ruling class.
I'm not willing to concede that the ruling class of this country was able to successfully carry out a false flag terrorist attack on their own important buildings (symbolic of American empire, full of US government stuff), as a pretense for starting new wars. I mean maybe, but it just feels pointless. Guess we wait and see if anything new ever comes out. Weird little coincidences aren't coherent enough.
Hope you're not looking to analyze the deep state or even the US government. Right Wingers criticize those!
Sort of but they also don't. They do some clearly half-assed finger wagging type of thing and stop short of talking about anything that matters, like who actually suffers.
It's like talking about Edward Snowden and only concluding that spying is bad because someone could see a picture of you naked, instead of talking about the fact that they're spying on communications all over the Middle East and the rest of the world and probably using that to help perform assassinations of people that challenge US power or God knows what else. Creating malware to destroy Iranian power generation facilities, etc.
I'm not willing to concede that the ruling class of this country was able to successfully carry out a false flag terrorist attack on their own important buildings (symbolic of American empire, full of US government stuff), as a pretense for starting new wars. I mean maybe, but it just feels pointless
I don't know how I'm supposed to respond to this. No evidence, no study, just vibing it out.
WRT to RW critics, my points isn't that right wingers are good critics of the US, but that shying away from a subject because people you don't like look into it means you're going to be shut out of just about anything of importance. The belief that we live in a class society with a ruling class that exploits an underclass is a wacky conspiracy theory to most people!
With things like the Kennedy assassination there's all kinds of documentation and motives and obvious cover ups and fake media narratives. With 9/11, it's basically that they needed to do a false flag terrorist attack to invade Afghanistan. Maybe it's just because it happened more recently. There's just a lack of any clear plot like we have with literally every other shady event in US history. Like a lot of people say, 9/11 seems like more of a Pearl Harbor than a Gulf of Tonkin. Yes it had preceding causes, but they're publicly known and stated by the parties involved. 9/11 stuff has no real world meaning other than "they needed a cause to invade Afghanistan". Maybe that's enough cause to let someone fly a plane into an important building, I don't know.
Peter Dale Scott's The Road to 9/11 basically places 9/11 in a much broader history of maneuvering between factions of the US government. While invading the Middle East was an extremely important outcome, it was part of a much broader package. Notably after 9/11 you have the PATRIOT Act and the immediate massive growth of the surveillance state. Joe Biden just renewed the national state of emergency that remains uninterrupted.
And even only in the context of the military and Imperialism, there were revolutionary changes in the attempt to acquire "full spectrum dominance." In the words of the Project for the New American Century, "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."
Also I'm sorry for being rude with the vibes comment. I've had yet another bad day with little sleep.
yeah the project for a new american century stuff I guess counts as the obvious motive and documentation lmao they kind of just put it all out there didn't they.
The people who repeat the 9/11 theories often seem to be cranks that couldn't care less about people in other countries, even though they try to depict 9/11 as the evil of the US ruling class.
Dude this is a shit posting forum for entertainment. I don't think anybody is bringing this stuff up in real life in any serious manner
They didn’t all collapse at the same time.
Fires burning for hours collapsed a floor in 7, which caused a domino effect down through the floors below. The building’s supports no longer had lateral load stabilization and in fact had in imbalanced lateral support via the outer areas of the floor that did not yet collapse.
With the middle hollowing itself out and the weight of the outside pushing in, the vertical supports buckled and collapsed near the bottom (bearing the most weight), and this is why it looks a lot like a controlled implosion.
It’s the same reason why the towers mostly fell straight down. How much do the floors above the planes weigh? And how much more force does that apply over the weight the structure was designed to handle after it’s been in motion - not even free fall, just in motion - for 13-ish feet (or whatever the height of each floor was? When they fall you can see material spewing out sideways as the large mass of the upper towers mashes down on the building below. It gains steam as it falls as more and more weight is in motion.
You can say a lot about the actions of the US government fostering the animosity towards this country, about their willingness or ignorance that allowed the attacks to succeed, and the atrocities committed in the supposed name of justice that followed that day for the next two decades, but for 22 fucking years you haven’t, you’ve been lost in a brainworm soup and been distracted from organizing against the real problems.
sorry, what?
Incoherent Liberalism.
Seems pretty clear to me. A lot of this conspiracy stuff just distracts from how awful the ruling class of this country is. The people who repeat the 9/11 theories often seem to be cranks that couldn't care less about people in other countries, even though they try to depict 9/11 as the evil of the US ruling class.
How?
Michael Parenti - Conspiracy and Class Power
JFK and the Gangster Nature of the State
Hope you're not looking to analyze the deep state or even the US government. Right Wingers criticize those!
I'm not willing to concede that the ruling class of this country was able to successfully carry out a false flag terrorist attack on their own important buildings (symbolic of American empire, full of US government stuff), as a pretense for starting new wars. I mean maybe, but it just feels pointless. Guess we wait and see if anything new ever comes out. Weird little coincidences aren't coherent enough.
Sort of but they also don't. They do some clearly half-assed finger wagging type of thing and stop short of talking about anything that matters, like who actually suffers.
It's like talking about Edward Snowden and only concluding that spying is bad because someone could see a picture of you naked, instead of talking about the fact that they're spying on communications all over the Middle East and the rest of the world and probably using that to help perform assassinations of people that challenge US power or God knows what else. Creating malware to destroy Iranian power generation facilities, etc.
I don't know how I'm supposed to respond to this. No evidence, no study, just vibing it out.
WRT to RW critics, my points isn't that right wingers are good critics of the US, but that shying away from a subject because people you don't like look into it means you're going to be shut out of just about anything of importance. The belief that we live in a class society with a ruling class that exploits an underclass is a wacky conspiracy theory to most people!
Most of the 9/11 stuff.
With things like the Kennedy assassination there's all kinds of documentation and motives and obvious cover ups and fake media narratives. With 9/11, it's basically that they needed to do a false flag terrorist attack to invade Afghanistan. Maybe it's just because it happened more recently. There's just a lack of any clear plot like we have with literally every other shady event in US history. Like a lot of people say, 9/11 seems like more of a Pearl Harbor than a Gulf of Tonkin. Yes it had preceding causes, but they're publicly known and stated by the parties involved. 9/11 stuff has no real world meaning other than "they needed a cause to invade Afghanistan". Maybe that's enough cause to let someone fly a plane into an important building, I don't know.
Peter Dale Scott's The Road to 9/11 basically places 9/11 in a much broader history of maneuvering between factions of the US government. While invading the Middle East was an extremely important outcome, it was part of a much broader package. Notably after 9/11 you have the PATRIOT Act and the immediate massive growth of the surveillance state. Joe Biden just renewed the national state of emergency that remains uninterrupted.
And even only in the context of the military and Imperialism, there were revolutionary changes in the attempt to acquire "full spectrum dominance." In the words of the Project for the New American Century, "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."
Also I'm sorry for being rude with the vibes comment. I've had yet another bad day with little sleep.
yeah the project for a new american century stuff I guess counts as the obvious motive and documentation lmao they kind of just put it all out there didn't they.
Dude this is a shit posting forum for entertainment. I don't think anybody is bringing this stuff up in real life in any serious manner
Let us have this one day of 9/11 memes and fun
fine fine