https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/11/us/politics/biden-vietnam-veteran-visit.html
“Biden and I spoke often about Vietnam and its consequences,” said Mr. Hagel, who also served with Mr. Biden in President Barack Obama’s administration as defense secretary. “How we disastrously drifted into a needless war that cost America over 58,000 lives and caused political chaos in the U.S.”
“Lessons learned,” he added. “I think those lessons have very much underpinned Biden’s foreign policy thinking and philosophy: Caution. Careful analysis.”
Yup. It’s a tragic, expensive cost. No other country could ever understand this suffering and lost. Also really love how “Vietnam” continues to be a synonym for “Vietnam war.” Biden is just another Vietnam era politician!
Mr. Trump once said that “my personal Vietnam” was avoiding sexually transmitted diseases while dating.
Note the quote talks about the loss of American lives and political chaos in the U.S. Caution and careful analysis when it’s throwing American troops into the wood chipper of war, but “let’er rip!” when it comes to other countries’ soldiers.
Mr. Trump once said that “my personal Vietnam” was avoiding sexually transmitted diseases while dating.
I love that because it means he losted and now has 58 thousand of different venereal diseases, some only founded in pigs before.
Oh boo hoo, the nation that was the aggressor in the war lost 58,000 soldiers. The actual victims - the nation that was attacked and their neighbors - lost like 5 million people. For this reason alone, I would say America is a bad country. We only care about the war criminals’ lives but the people who were slaughtered were innocent, and Americans do not give a single shit about their lives.
Liberals only ever talk about how many American soldiers were lost and how much money was spent on any American war (notice also the "disastrously drifted" part that conveniently elides any question of agency
). The only reason Vietnam raised such a furor was that there was still a draft and young men realized they could be next in line - having a volunteer military mostly eliminated that concern and made wars far more palatable when the soldiers dying weren't people they knew.I'm convinced that if Afghanistan and Iraq could've been fought with entirely robotic soldiers, barely anyone in
would've cared since nobody ever mentions the people who die in the current target of aggression.
Vietnamese officials presented Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken with identification cards of U.S. troops still missing in action.
reminder that POW/MIA is a right wing conspiracy theory
I’m sure many are missing as with any war. But isn’t the main premise that Vietnam still has POWs lol
The ole 'wait 50 years to use them as leverage' play
Works every time
Wow, I just looked this up. I thought it was just like an army pride flag.
Also, the movement financially preyed upon grieving parents/wives, convincing them their (most likely dead) sons/husbands were still alive and captured and if they just threw more money at them they’d get them freed.
In 1993, the Senate committee came to the conclusion that "there is, at this time, no compelling evidence that proves that any American remains alive in captivity in Southeast Asia."
In 2019, it became mandatory to fly the POW/MIA flag on federal properties.
lol, lmao. I blame the Rambo movies.
It's real and they even updated the language to give McCain his proper name and to remove the epithet "Tên" which is used to refer to villainous people in Vietnamese.
This is revisionism.
epithet "Tên" which is used to refer to villainous people in Vietnamese.
I’ve never heard of this lol. We just use it to mean “name.”
It might be a dialect thing or something where the use is archaic but the text on the monument uses tên as an epithet (or a classifier) to indicate that McCain was a hostile, which is apparently why it was removed.
Are you from Vietnam? Would you mind if I ask a couple of questions, to fact check something I've heard recently?
