It’s literally a picture of a vehicle stopping in front of a pedestrian, if anything that shows how barbaric chuds are for running over BLM protesters

  • volkvulture [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    The Hungarian Revolution was responded to in the midst of destalinization... so I don't think we can blame Stalinists for that

    while they're both appalling photos, the tank in the picture on the left isn't operational, and doesn't even have a turret on top....

    also, if you look closely at the remnants on the ground by the tank, it looks much more like a crushed bicycle or motorbike... no body parts or blood is actually visible unlike in the other photo

    the picture on the right is gross though.

      • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        i mean, the stalinists decided to use military force against civilians, that’s a war crime and not in line with my socialist principles. I think people are allowed to disagree with that decision that was made historically by a government in power, it’s just a personal opinion

        "The stalinists" you mean Cornshev who just denounced Stalin in a 'Secret Speech' which was immediately leaked to the west and would go on to make revisions to Marxist-Leninist (there's no such thing as Stalinist) policies that include

        • denigrating the central planning system as a "Stalinist holdover"

        • Privatising the tractor stations (farmers essentially collectively owned their means of production here. You just went to a tractor station and collected your tractor)

        • restoring the profit motive in 1965

        • Denouncing the era of the dictatorship of the proletariat and the Party is now a "party of the whole people" instead of the proletariat

        • Announced it was now possible for peaceful co-existence between Socialism and Capitalism (rather than a fight to the death as MLs have always stated)

        The ideology and history understander has logged on

        Also the Hungarian revolution was a MI6 backed counter-revolution who's fascistic elements of Hungarian society (Hungary having been a fascist dictatorship for 25 years prior to Soviet liberation) and were lynching communists and jews and they deserved to be crushed

        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/mi6-trained-rebels-to-fight-soviets-in-hungarian-revolt-1359599.html

        https://diplomaticpost.co.uk/index.php/2020/10/21/the-first-gladio-style-colour-revolution-the-hungarian-fascist-counter-revolution-of-1956/

          • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            Apologies for unnecessary sarcasm comrade

            For a full rounded history about the Hungarian revolution I can recommend this book

            The Truth About Hungary

            My friend’s dad identified as a stalinist, he calls himself that. I guess I am just going off of my anecdotal perspective with that one.

            Some Marxist-Leninists have become so sick of the Anti-Stalin crusade in the Left have taken to becoming obnoxious and call themselves "Stalinists" but in truth nothing exists. Stalin did not synthesize a new Marxism as Lenin did (to create Marxism-Leninism). Stalin, theoretically and ideologically, was a Marxist-Leninist

            If you are interested in exactly what Kruschev did and the policies he changed I recommend these 2 books

            Kruschev Lied goes through Kruschevs secret speech and proves he was a liar. It explains exactly how the revisionists sought to place all the blame for some of the murkier parts of Soviet history on Stalins shoulders...So they could then begin dismantling the Soviet Socialist system he built

            This book goes through the exact policies they changed of the Soviet system as well as provides a good theoretical understanding of why the Soviet Union was socialist and exactly what policies were revised under Kruschev then the Kosygin reforms of 1965

            Restoration of Capitalism in the USSR, Martin Nichlaus

      • volkvulture [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        again, I don't know the exact context of the photo on the right nor the one on the left, so the only thing I agree with is that it appears to be a grisly scene

        doesn't mean that the victim wasn't a soldier or gov't official burned/beaten by protestors, as others here have pointed out occurred

        still not sure what you're talking about military force against civilians lol, you are being vague I think

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            it's someone who responded in this same thread

            "While it may seem a minor distinction; those victims were not killed in the square itself, protesters in Tiananmen were dispersed without bloodshed. Outside of the square was a different story with a great deal of violence between both PLA and protesters. There were numerous cases of PLA soldiers being lynched and/or burned to death fwiw (again NSFL). https://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/6.-Another-soldier-burned-to-death-hanging-by-a-cable-from-the-burned-out-bus..jpg

            Chinese Government sources put the total estimate of fatalities at around 300 during for the whole June Fourth Incident, and wider protest movement, which most credible sources back up.

            Here’s a nuanced and informative article on the affair: https://frso.org/main-documents/looking-back-at-tiananmen-square-the-defeat-of-counter-revolution-in-china/"

              • volkvulture [none/use name]
                1·
                4 years ago

                no problem, also check out the extent to which Radio Free Europe/VOA and former Nazi collaborators were behind the bourgeois nationalist uprising in Hungary

                "reference to the uprising as a “pogrom”, insisting that “Nazis were let out of prisons by the thousands”. It also features Hungarian Socialist politician Szófia Havas, who says that “revolutionaries went from house to house in search of communists and Jews” and “the revolution couldn’t have broken out without groups of ex-Nazi dissenters trained by the CIA who were meant to promote a fascist-counterrevolutionary coup”.

                https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/bela-kiraly-soldier-who-led-hungarian-resistance-against-the-soviet-union-during-the-1956-uprising-1741949.html

                MFer was literally a Nazi collaborator

                "Socialist Prime Minister Gyula Horn, who took part in post-1956 reprisals between December 1956 and June 1957, sparked outrage in 2007 after telling the news magazine HVG that “For example, I don’t consider 1956 as a revolution because there’s no way I could call Arrow Cross supporters who escaped prison revolutionaries”."

                https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/28/world/archives-confirm-false-hope-fed-hungary-revolt.html