Oh God, oh shit, I said I wasn't going to do it. I said I wasn't going to start a China struggle session. Already getting flashbacks to the Discord.

But something just doesn't sit right with me and wanted to get some clarification here...

My question is this: why does China ban labor organizing/unions?

Is this yikes/intentional/actually a good thing?

(Yeah, I do know that labor unions are not always unequivocally good and sometimes they act more like middle management than as representatives of the workers... but democratizing the workplace seems like a no-brainer for any socialist project.)

Thoughts?

  • ChavistaGang [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    If anyone is interested in learning from a mainland Chinese CPC member who appears to have done an AMA on the Communism subreddit a couple months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/itlyar/xi_jinpings_main_domestic_policies_and_their/

    Some interesting points:

    Fighting corruption. Xi believes that the party has lost its purity after Reform and Opening up, and a lot of people who don't believe in Communism joined the party and used their power to accumulate wealth for themselves at the expense of the people and the country. He has relentlessly fought corruptions ever since he took office, and has targeted both "the tigers and the flies" ( meaning both high-ranking and low-ranking officials are being targeted ). in 2018, he created a governmental organization " The National Supervision Committee" with the sole task of fighting corruption

    On workers' right. Xi has focused mainly on poor workers' right, and has raised minimum wages by many folds. He is however silent on the 996 phenomenon among middle class workers ( programmers, for example)

    On Medicare. China has a universal healthcare system, but previously a lot of workers and farmers don't have access to it. ( it was complicated to register for it). Xi in term simplified the procedure. He also kept the prices of going to hospital pretty low ( you can easily afford it even if you are poor as long as you don't have very major conditions.)

    Question: How would you define China's economic model? Socialism with Chinese Characteristic, plain Socialism, State Capitalism, or another term? And why do you think there's such vociferous deliberation among Western leftists on the topic?

    Answer: China is a Socialist Market Economy. The party won't plan for everything, and would allow the market to adjust itself. But the party will have the leadership on everything, and if the market's adjustment is inadequate, the party will step in. The biggest difference between China's model and State Capitalism is that our model's greatest pursuit is not profit or wealth, and doesn't serve the interest of oligarchs and capitalists. Rather, the socialist market economy is used to advance the living standard of the people and develop productivity.

    Question: How and why is China a dictatorship of the proletariat? Some people here in Brazil say that the bourgeoisie actually controls the Party and China's no longer a DotP.

    Answer: Basically, a bourgeoisie government transfers wealth from the poor to the rich, and the rich can exert meaningful power in the government to keep that process going. China usually took wealth away from the rich and transfer it to the poor, and the rich has no power to stop it. Wang Jianlin, for example, was once China's richest man, and he has to participate in the government-mandated poverty alleviation effort. He once said in public that his money is "his" money, not the government's, and started to transfer his assets abroad, and the banks ( which are all state owned) basically refused to give him anymore loans, and the government also refuses to exchange his RMB to dollar, so he can't transfer any more assets abroad. Now he is in a tough situation.

    Question: What percentage of the party are Capitalist roaders just pretending to be socialists?

    Answer: I'd say about 20%, most of them are either rich people invited to join the party back in the days of Reform and Opening up, or are corrupt officials who only joined the party for money and prestige. The situation has gotten better since Xi, 10 years ago I'd put the number at at least 50%.

    This answer I think aligns well with how the party was in disarray with the notorious corruption and ideological confusion during the mid-2000s under Hu Jintao who was a weak leader who tolerated a lot of shit. Lots of cringe revisionist takes from the attendees of one conference in 2006 referenced by David Kotz although we probably shouldn't necessarily extrapolate some of those alarmingly revisionist views that were expressed during a single event to make it seem like those opinions solidly represent a massive party of tens of millions, especially the current state of the party from a dated source. There will always be the threat from potential opportunists, careerists, and even people who just may honestly be confused and not well informed on theory. This is also juxtaposed by the outlook of the party described by liberal economist Wu Jinglian who described a rising left-wing faction in reaction to rising corruption and inequality during this time as well before the time of Xi's leadership and wasn't optimistic about the future of the party due to it. The CPC’s recent closure of the pro-economic liberalization Unirule Institute of Economics, more promotion of Marxist media programs like Marx Got It Right , and the CPC media's attacks on liberal economists like Wu Jinliang, Zhang Weiying who got sacked from his position as Dean from the Guanghua School of Management, and Mao Yushi who even withdrew from the party reflect a recent, albeit slow positive shift in the CPC.

    Question: What level of influence do owners of large businesses and corporations have in China? Have they meaningfully infiltrated the government?

    Answer: They haven't. Even the owners of the largest enterprises still have to follow the party's rule. If, for example, the party tries to remove Ma Huateng from the post of CEO of Tencent, Ma is going to get removed and another CEO who understands the redline better will be nominated by the board.

    Question: This is incredibly worrisome to me. I feel like a simple solution would be to have caps on the wealth of party members and their families. I'm glad the situation has gotten better under Xi but I'm curious why there isn't a ban against rich people being in positions of power in the party. How do you ensure a dictatorship of the proletariat in the long term if the bourgeoisie have real power from within the party? I guess it's another form of class struggle but not just in society but for the soul of the party?

    Answer: Xi is trying to get rid of corrupt officials with his anti-corruption campaign. These corrupt officials usually have their wealth hidden, and on the surface, they are just as clean as a normal party members. As for those rich people who are invited to join the party, they have no real power whatsoever, and they won't be able to hold any offices in the government or any leadership position in the party. Their party only give them memberships to show to the people that entrepreneurs are also being united under the umbrella of the party.

    Question: This is really good news my only concern relates back to question 2. In that if they are allowed to join and influence the party then they don't have to go against the party they can just try to influence the party directly from within. What percentage of the upper leadership in the CPC is rich?

    Answer: If you define upper leadership in the CCP as provincial/ministerial level and national level, then I'd say that about 10% of the provincial officials are at least corrupt to some degrees, and I'd say very few of the national leaders are corrupt.

    Question: I’ve heard the use of vpns have become quite popular in order to bypass the strict content regulations. Do you think this is a good thing? I mean being restricted to government approved content must be quite annoying and limiting to everyone’s person political beliefs. But hey not my problem.

    Answer: I think it is generally a good thing. A VPN is not very expensive and anyone who can afford the Internet can afford a VPN. Most Chinese people who used the VPN to access the outer world, however, came back to the Chinese Internet complaining about the toxicity and disinformation that exists outside of the wall, particularly in the political sphere.

    Question: What's the general consensus on Islamic extremism in the Xinjiang region, specifically pertaining to Xi Jinping's response? Too extreme, too lenient, adequate, or something else entirely? There is no consensus on that topic, since we do not talk about it often ( or at all ), but the official explanation is that extremism, separatism and terrorism has taken over the region and has invaded people's mind in that region. And to return Xinjiang back into peace and prosperity, a deep and throughout cleaning is necessary.

    Answer: Unlike what is portrayed by the West, we do not massacre at the so-called "concentration camps" ( why would we? ), instead we teach ideological classes their to eliminate the three isms in their minds and teach basic skills to them so that once they return to the society, they can make a living for themselves. Also, the number is quite exaggerated, bu at least 10 folds, as reported by the West.

    Question: What would you recommend as goes literature? The r/communism mods put together their reading list for Marxism-Leninism, are there things the Chinese Communist Party believes necessary for a modern Marxist-Leninist? Things you recommend, personally?

    Answer: The Selected Work of Mao" is a must. Other than that, most of what the party suggests us to read is specific to China, and I don't think is applicable to the situation in the West.