I swear unanimous appreciation of china was a pretty common sentiment and now I'm consistently seeing upbeared comments about how china isn't and never was a socialist state, and how actually their use of markets is as bad if not worse than america. What's going on? IDK what to think or what side I'm on here but it just seems like opinions fundamentally changed so quickly, it's weird.

  • Harukiller14 [they/them,comrade/them]
    4·
    4 years ago

    If Hitler had never got in the way I guarantee you the rest of the world would have rallied together to crush the USSR in a full on military campaign. What makes you believe they wouldn't do the same to China now that it is clearly the rising power of the 21st century?

    • auheben [none/use name]
      1·
      4 years ago

      In principle I agree, but everyone important has nukes now. 15830347th generation warfare is not fought with "full on military campaigns", when sanctions are so much more effective.

      • Harukiller14 [they/them,comrade/them]
        2·
        4 years ago

        That is so long as nations do not begin to use tactical nukes. Also as I've said in another comment the situation of MAD that we've experienced has been hinged on the fact of Western Supremacy. In retrospect it is very obvious that the Western powers were the aggressors in the cold war which makes sense as the US was the larger super power, but what happens when that is no longer the case? When capital has nothing to loose since China will become the leading super power does it continue to rely on MAD? I would hope so, but something tells me that's not necessarily true.

          • Harukiller14 [they/them,comrade/them]
            1·
            4 years ago

            I think that's true if it is delivered by a nation state in an obvious manner, but let me answer your question with another. If a dirty bomb were to go off in NYC do you think the world would instantly be consumed in hell fire? Do you really think we would just start launching nukes at all our enemies? I don't think so. Using non state actors to set off a dirty bomb would do two things. It would eventually normalize tactical nukes and also establish paramilitaries as a legitimate threat that the US could use as a way to exert influence, but without the hang ups of using obvious military personnel. It's exactly what they already do across the globe right now.

            At that point, MAD would be off the table because I doubt any established nation would stop the world from turning for what can easily be blamed on terrorists.