Liberals are not our allies and have historically proven ready and willing to jump to violent fascistic repression of any popular socialist movement. That includes the liberals who have appeared to be well meaning progressives. We can hope to educate and attract people away from liberalism, but any alliance is doomed from the start. Anarchists, Leninists, Maoists, any tendency of leftist should recognize this. Hell, opposition to liberals should unify them all at least temporarily!
they're not very willing to look past electoralism to any other kind of politics, so they're neither useful allies nor particularly relevant to any projects I care about?
I'd argue it's more unhealthy to dismiss criticisms of liberals, talk down to people in this thread, and say that people rightfully calling them out is "politics of resentment".
I don’t have particular issue with them, just no faith lol. Rather I think the DSA in its membership spectrum from straight up lib, to socdem (lib), to some genuine commited leftists, can do good things on a more localized level.
However, I don’t believe most anyone in the right wing of the DSA will have our (committed anticapitalist leftists) backs when shit hits the fan. When it comes down to supporting the vulnerable, and those who actually work to protect and advocate for them, against the violent forces of capitalist repression? I don’t see a lot of radlibs that gather under the very broad DSA umbrella sticking with professed convictions when they’re tested. So many of these are the people who prioritized tone policing and decried property damage during the George Floyd uprisings. I have little faith in them.
The DSA is certainly a far sight better than most any major party or bloc in American politics, but that’s a pretty pathetically low bar to clear. Mostly, I just don’t think of them at all tho lol
That's fair, I don't see a lot of that in my chapter, but it's majority Marxist, so the right wing has to be better behaved. I forget that national leadership includes a cop and my idea of what "right wing" means is deeply skewed.
Yeah this is the stage we are at and the page we should all be on so to speak.
I just do not have an issue with the right wing of the DSA. Yknow?
they're not very willing to look past electoralism to any other kind of politics, so they're neither useful allies nor particularly relevant to any projects I care about?
Right, but I'm not worried about them like killing me during an uprising, yknow?
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Bold of you to think they’ll apologize and not enthusiastically cheer on the fascist regime
They just want things to be normal again. yknow?
yeah I guess. I have them firmly in the roll eyes and ignore category. they're not enemies but they're also not friends, y'know?
Yeah, I'm not saying they're good, just that this kind of resentment towards them is unhealthy
I'd argue it's more unhealthy to dismiss criticisms of liberals, talk down to people in this thread, and say that people rightfully calling them out is "politics of resentment".
Yeah I politically resent fascist collaborators. I would say it’s an extremely healthy habit.
I will have an unhealthy resentment against the ideology mine is built to dismantle
The SPD killed all the Communists in the German revolution. Liberals are generally significantly to their Right.
I don’t have particular issue with them, just no faith lol. Rather I think the DSA in its membership spectrum from straight up lib, to socdem (lib), to some genuine commited leftists, can do good things on a more localized level.
However, I don’t believe most anyone in the right wing of the DSA will have our (committed anticapitalist leftists) backs when shit hits the fan. When it comes down to supporting the vulnerable, and those who actually work to protect and advocate for them, against the violent forces of capitalist repression? I don’t see a lot of radlibs that gather under the very broad DSA umbrella sticking with professed convictions when they’re tested. So many of these are the people who prioritized tone policing and decried property damage during the George Floyd uprisings. I have little faith in them.
The DSA is certainly a far sight better than most any major party or bloc in American politics, but that’s a pretty pathetically low bar to clear. Mostly, I just don’t think of them at all tho lol
Idk they're usually transphobic
That's fair, I don't see a lot of that in my chapter, but it's majority Marxist, so the right wing has to be better behaved. I forget that national leadership includes a cop and my idea of what "right wing" means is deeply skewed.
ban, just ban, nope