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    The “stagnation” of the 60s and 70s is a fiction. During that period China enormously improved the life of its poor. At the time of Deng’s coup life expectancy was already at 68.

    Yes, because the CPC was addressing the social ills that were within the capabilities of their productive base. If you think the poverty alleviation China has carried out in the past 40 years would be possible without using the industrial expertise of western capitalists, you are not connected to reality.

    Hundreds of Chinese billionaires disagree.

    I do not think they would lol, most financial news I read from China has billionaires PISSED with the increased regulations in the past couple years. Jack Ma is actively falling out with the party lol

    Right now, there is a socialist turn within the CPC. Remaining blind to this fact helps no one.

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        Socialism is when dead billionaires? Oh no Mr. Epstein, seems like your death was proof of socialism all along

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            How about they crack down on the capitalist mode of production?

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                Good for them, but even in this article it seems really fishy.

                In policy recommendations for the nation’s upcoming five-year plan, released on Tuesday, the Communist Party’s Central Committee called for deepening mixed-ownership reform, and it particularly vowed to promote the market-oriented reform of energy, railway, telecom and public utilities.

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                Huang Qunhui, head of the Institute of Economics under the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said last month that China must concentrate resources in selected areas but can still allow competition in other sectors, such as “power grids, telecoms, railways, petroleum and natural gas”.

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                  well its moving away from markets in some areas, and will probably move away from the others late soon

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      Increased regulations make billionaires uncomfortable?!? Yeah, sure, that means they're one step away from socialism. You live in a fantasy world.

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        I have literally said multiple times China is not socialist lmao

        The fact that they are closer to socialism than any time in their history says nothing about the future.

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          The fact that they are closer to socialism than any time in their history

          A "fact" that is completely the product of your imagination, repeating it endlessly doesn't make it true. Seriously, why are you here when you could be posting on r/neoliberal? Your argument that a communist country can only develop economically by reintroducing capitalism would be a success there.

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            Your argument that a communist country can only develop economically by reintroducing capitalism

            I never said this. A coalition between:

            • The centralized economies of the USSR & China
            • Armed Communist Parties in Western Europe
            • The armed national liberation movements in the Global South

            in the after war period would have defeated capitalist-imperialism without the reintroduction of capitalism. There were plenty of opportunities to develop socialism in that time period.

            However, a shit ton of things went horribly wrong for the Communist international movement:

            • The Comintern pressured the disarmament of communist parties in France, Italy, and Greece.
            • Krushchev's complete condemnation of, and lies about, Stalin caused fractures in every single communist party in the world.
            • The Soviet Union refused to help China industrialize in order to maintain detente with the US
            • China dumped anti-USSR propaganda around the world, claimed the USSR is "capitalist-imperialist" and "no different than the US"

            To name a few.

            Capitalist-imperialism successfully carried out counter-revolution around the world. In the era of counter-revolution, there were two successful methods of survival:

            • The introduction of some capitalist reforms while maintaining a democratic centralist government led by a communist party (Vietnam, China)
            • A complete inward-turn, focused on defense and self-sufficiency (Cuba, DPRK)

            China demonstrated the only successful model for building international influence, which is has been completely lacking from international communism for decades.

            The fact the China does not look like some combination of Ukraine and Afghanistan right now is commendable, only a handful of communist parties pulled that off. The fact that China is the center of global production and has been faithfully sticking to it's benchmarks in building socialism is one of the only signs of hope in the 21st century.

            I generally agree with the CPC's line: poverty is not socialism. Poverty and economic stagnation were incredibly powerful weapons utilized by capitalists to carry out color revolution in the Eastern Bloc. Eradicating poverty is a necessary component to building socialism. Throughout China, the people experience a quality of life never before seen there and trust in the party's leadership is at record highs.

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              Qanon supporters are less deluded than you are. China is run by a billionaire oligarchy while its workers slave away in sweatshops and you write it has been "faithfully sticking to [its] benchmarks in building socialism..."

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        so if i am a good communist and inact some kind of policy that makes china completely rid of billionaires, what happenes? what did you gain? how does this reality look like for you?