Permanently Deleted

    • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      4 years ago

      This is pretty classic Marxist electoral strategy, even if Dore isn’t a Marxist. You constantly push demands and distinguish yourself from your opponents, use every bullhorn you can to make people aware of who their enemies are and what they believe. Criticize them substantially, make clear that what they’re saying is that they disdain your demands, they think you deserve to be exploited, excluded from power, left to fester in the pits that the market throws people into. Constantly rally people to the flag.

      I agree with this and support the idea, but my problem is that Dore and others pushing this don't seem to have any larger strategy. Even if a vote does somehow serve as a way to expose politicians who would vote against it (which I'm skeptical of), then what do we do with that knowledge? We already know who is against it, yet we continue to do nothing. The real debate should be around this, in my opinion, and not simply pushing a performative measure that accomplishes nothing. We need to start seriously considering what actions we can all take instead of expecting our rigged political system to somehow unfuck itself enough to grant us healthcare.

      • Snow_Unity [none/use name]
        ·
        4 years ago

        Neither does any other youtube left channel. What is Sam Seder telling people to do? Or any of them? None of them are like "yeah we need to turn DSA into a Marxist org or party that can participate in elections without being total libs about it".

        • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          4 years ago

          There are YouTube channels that would and do say this, but maybe not specifically about M4A, and those channels probably occupy a different space than the socdem channels like Sam Seder, Kulinski, Jimmy Dore, etc.

          FWIW, Jamie Peck, who is on Sam Seder's show, did actually talk about this on Twitter today.