anyone who thinks that supporting her way “pushing Bernie left” is a pudding head
Oh snap. Right back at you - I think anyone who thinks otherwise is a... marshmallow face. :surprised-pika:
There was literally never any material reality in which Tulsi Gabbard was going to even come close to winning the nomination.
Exactly. She ran to promote herself - but also was someone who'd bring radical talking points to a national platform.
She operated as another spoiler against Sanders, like Elizabeth Warren
Wrong. Warren actually competed and took votes away from Bernie. Tulsi got <1% of the votes and IMO competed for a different demographic than Bernie. If she ever showed Warren numbers, I'd agree she was acting as a spoiler and should have dropped out. But she didn't.
The only viable choice if your opinion was “Bernie’s a cuck” was to not participate in the Democratic primary at all.
That's not my opinion, it's just a common opinion here - I trust Bernie to be doing his best, but I don't thinking wanting to push him further is a bad idea.
Tulsi fucking endorsed Biden over Bernie
Yeah, that sucked. But it was after it was all over and Bernie was about to do the same. At the time there was a story that she offered to endorse Bernie and he rejected her - though I haven't managed to track down any details.
she isn’t anti-imperialist either.
Yeah, but more anti-imperialist than Bernie. Or, at least, I think it's reasonable to hold that opinion - leftists shouldn't castigate other leftists for having done so at the time.
If you are endorsing Joe Biden, you aren't anti-imperialist.
Wrong. Warren actually competed and took votes away from Bernie. Tulsi got <1% of the votes and IMO competed for a different demographic than Bernie. If she ever showed Warren numbers, I'd agree she was acting as a spoiler and should have dropped out. But she didn't.
No, I'm right. Bernie to Trump voters are an actual phenomenon, and that's who she was targeting. That she was bad at it doesn't mean she wasn't operating as a spoiler.
EDIT: Chapo Chat engaging in big "Joe Biden is anti-imperialist" energy.
Bernie to Trump voters are an actual phenomenon, and that’s who she was targeting.
Less of a phenomenon than Clinton to McCain voters - and was probably even less of a phenomenon in 2020 than in 2016, because Bernie was building a much less White coalition.
That she was bad at it doesn’t mean she wasn’t operating as a spoiler.
You have to actually spoil to be a spoiler. There're benefits to having more left politicians running - DeBlasio basically just endorsed Sanders' positions, for example. And even Warren helped Sanders in some debates. At some points the benefits are outweighed by the costs (e.g. Warren), but it wasn't the case for Tulsi.
Lmao, he isn't "PuShInG hEr LeFt". He's a media figure responsible to no one, who is creating controversy because he makes money off of views. His views are down 25% over the last 30 days and he's got to pump those numbers up. If he actually gave that much of a shit about M4A, he wouldn't have wasted a bunch of time fighting for Tulsi Gabbard. That he's a broken clock doesn't make him trustworthy.
He isn't pushing her left, an M4A vote is useless since the cosponsors can just vote Yes knowing it's not a threat and won't pass. It wiill achieve nothing. They'll find reasons to turn against it when they have the votes to actually pass it. AOC should absolutely not vote for Pelosi without significant concessions, but an M4A vote would be a useless thing to ask for
Oh snap. Right back at you - I think anyone who thinks otherwise is a... marshmallow face. :surprised-pika:
Exactly. She ran to promote herself - but also was someone who'd bring radical talking points to a national platform.
Wrong. Warren actually competed and took votes away from Bernie. Tulsi got <1% of the votes and IMO competed for a different demographic than Bernie. If she ever showed Warren numbers, I'd agree she was acting as a spoiler and should have dropped out. But she didn't.
That's not my opinion, it's just a common opinion here - I trust Bernie to be doing his best, but I don't thinking wanting to push him further is a bad idea.
Yeah, that sucked. But it was after it was all over and Bernie was about to do the same. At the time there was a story that she offered to endorse Bernie and he rejected her - though I haven't managed to track down any details.
Yeah, but more anti-imperialist than Bernie. Or, at least, I think it's reasonable to hold that opinion - leftists shouldn't castigate other leftists for having done so at the time.
I can't believe I'm reading something like this here. Jesus Christ.
If you are endorsing Joe Biden, you aren't anti-imperialist.
No, I'm right. Bernie to Trump voters are an actual phenomenon, and that's who she was targeting. That she was bad at it doesn't mean she wasn't operating as a spoiler.
EDIT: Chapo Chat engaging in big "Joe Biden is anti-imperialist" energy.
Less of a phenomenon than Clinton to McCain voters - and was probably even less of a phenomenon in 2020 than in 2016, because Bernie was building a much less White coalition.
You have to actually spoil to be a spoiler. There're benefits to having more left politicians running - DeBlasio basically just endorsed Sanders' positions, for example. And even Warren helped Sanders in some debates. At some points the benefits are outweighed by the costs (e.g. Warren), but it wasn't the case for Tulsi.
Good, we agree. Sanders and AOC should be tried in revolutionary court for their crimes.
Sure, and Proud Troop Tulsi can be there too.
That goes without saying... but then what are you doing criticizing Jimmy for pushing succdem AOC further left?
Lmao, he isn't "PuShInG hEr LeFt". He's a media figure responsible to no one, who is creating controversy because he makes money off of views. His views are down 25% over the last 30 days and he's got to pump those numbers up. If he actually gave that much of a shit about M4A, he wouldn't have wasted a bunch of time fighting for Tulsi Gabbard. That he's a broken clock doesn't make him trustworthy.
He isn't pushing her left, an M4A vote is useless since the cosponsors can just vote Yes knowing it's not a threat and won't pass. It wiill achieve nothing. They'll find reasons to turn against it when they have the votes to actually pass it. AOC should absolutely not vote for Pelosi without significant concessions, but an M4A vote would be a useless thing to ask for