This is only a good idea if AOC had a superior pick to Pelosi with a plurality of support in the party
Why? How does a plurality in the Party help anything? Pelosi needs their votes to be Speaker. They can require that Pelosi make a public concession to their wing of the party. After this moment passes, Pelosi has no reason to listen to them again until 2022.
Just like every other media circus freak, he wants to attach his name to AOC’s because she’s high profile and he’s not. Dan fucking Crenshaw does this all the time. Fling shit at AOC and see what sticks.
The fact that Democratic Entryists see "following up on campaign promises" as "flinging shit" is why nothing will ever happen from this strategy.
Always fighting the last war. AOC isn’t Obama. I know this because I don’t see her heels propped up on the Resolute Desk.
I do not care about signaling. This sounds like Libs defending Obama because he does not golf every weekend.
Here is the similarity between AOC and Obama: they both refuse to use their leverage - mass public support and opportunities of political power - to demand concessions in the public square. They are only interested in what's "achievable" in back-door deals.
This moment is the best leverage they will have in a very long time. It is incredibly lucky that the small progressive wing can swing the Speaker vote. At their current trajectory, progressives are decades away from controlling the House. We do not have that kind of time. They need to use this opportunity to its fullest.
Instead, they want us to believe they are working really really hard in back-door deals. Democratic careerists would much rather just say they are fighting for you behind closed doors.
It is such a fall from grace to see AOC go from occupying Pelosi's office with climate protestors in 2018. If there was ever a time to bring out your supporters for leverage, it is now. But back in 2018, they were harmless. It made for a good photo-op.
I imagine you supported that move by AOC. To go from that, to "shoot at the Queen, you best not miss" is embarrassing. She missed in 2018, and lost nothing.
Because Pelosi isn't the final boss in a video game and beating her doesn't mean you win.
I do not care about signaling.
Going to do a Communism, but without communicating intent or efficacy to the proletariat. This vanguard can't fail.
Here is the similarity between AOC and Obama: they both refuse to use their leverage
Obama routinely used his leverage... to benefit institutions of capital and the police state. Let me know when AOC is campaigning for Joe Lieberman, re-upping Robert Gates to the Pentagon, and nixing a basketball walkout in protest of police brutality.
It is such a fall from grace to see AOC go from occupying Pelosi’s office with climate protestors in 2018.
Cortez is currently backing a Ro Khanna's state-based M4A legislation, a law that has a much better chance of passing than blanket national M4A. Picking a fight with Pelosi right now would undermine that effort, given that both she and incoming HHS secretary Xavier Becerra support it.
Cortez is currently backing a Ro Khanna’s state-based M4A legislation, a law that has a much better chance of passing than blanket national M4A
M4A is not passing any time soon. Most of the Democratic Party is owned by Big Pharma and Biden has said he will veto. Anyone talking about "the chances of M4A passing" is lying to your face. That is what AOC and Ro Khanna are doing.
The goal right now is to expose the Democratic establishment. They are not interested in that.
to benefit institutions of capital and the police state. Let me know when AOC is campaigning for Joe Lieberman, re-upping Robert Gates to the Pentagon, and nixing a basketball walkout in protest of police brutality.
We are about to see AOC vote for every single ghoul in Biden's administration. We can dig through her voting record and see countless evil bills she's voted on. She is not as powerful as Obama. She does not have the political clout to kill a basketball strike.
The goal right now is to expose the Democratic establishment.
Joe Biden is already President. He'll be walking around with his pants at his knees for the next four years. They're exposed. Nobody is going to remember a quixotic M4A vote inside a month of it being cast.
We are about to see AOC vote for every single ghoul in Biden’s administration.
The House doesn't vote on Presidential appointments, dummy.
To get opponents on record? You know, normal political tactics?
Why spend your time working on a bill that will not pass? All the efforts in the progressive bloc should be about delegitimizing the Democratic establishment. That is, if they were at all serious.
Nobody is going to remember a quixotic M4A vote inside a month of it being cast
That all depends on how willing the progressive wing is willing to rail on Dems who voted against health care in a pandemic. There is no will to power in the progressive bloc, so we know that won't happen. They just want to be including in Democratic back-door dealings.
The House doesn’t vote on Presidential appointments
Her progressive friends in the Senate will. She will play her role in the House.
Again, you are caught up in the same political game that Obama fans were in 2009.
Why spend your time working on a bill that will not pass?
That's what I'm asking you. You're ready to fight Pelosi for her speakership on this issue.
All the efforts in the progressive bloc should be about delegitimizing the Democratic establishment.
That's some naval gazing inside baseball shit. Nobody on the ground gives a shit. Congress already has a sub-10% approval rating. All you're doing is playing into the pissing contest.
That all depends on how willing the progressive wing is willing to rail on Dems who voted against health care in a pandemic.
Where is the political economy in this? Who cares? You're not doing a thing about material condition.
No they are not. No one is on record voting for M4A. Stop lying.
That’s what I’m asking you. You’re ready to fight Pelosi for her speakership on this issue.
I want progressives to fight for a vote on M4A. No M4A bill is getting passed until, at least, 2024. The only way it will pass is if progressives win the presidency and can browbeat Congress to pass it.
The only way this will happen if the progressive make a clear distinction between themselves and the rest of the Democratic Party on popular issues - such as M4A. There is no difference between AOC and, say, Kamala Harris on this issue. They are both co-sponsors of the bill.
Right now, the only people who believe AOC is different than the Democratic machine are the people who want to believe her signaling is genuine. It is the same way Trump and Obama maintain their support despite doing nothing.
That’s some naval gazing inside baseball shit. Nobody on the ground gives a shit.
Bernie's entire political power came from pushing Congress on issues that would never pass.
He would not have been successful in 2016 if not for the fact that he voted against the war in Iraq and the bank bailouts. The entire propaganda effort for his campaign centered on these votes as proof of his legitimacy.
If you disagree with this tactic of building power, you should not be supporting any Democratic Party entryist.
Where is the political economy in this? Who cares?
Where is the political economy in withholding health care during a pandemic? How dense can you be?
Have you been paying attention to the outrage over withholding stimulus? Every person in my life who is not tuned into politics is pissed about the stimulus negotiations right now. People see M4A as pandemic relief.
The current proposed legislation has 118 co-sponsors. That's your list. If they're not on the list, you can pretty much guarantee they don't support this bill.
The only way this will happen if the progressive make a clear distinction between themselves and the rest of the Democratic Party
I haven't seen any indication that this is "the only way" M4A advances. Just to the contrary, I see a host of amendments that could advance M4A by other means. The Ro Khanna amendment is a big one.
Right now, the only people who believe AOC is different than the Democratic machine are the people who want to believe her signaling is genuine.
Who the fuck are you to make such a declaration? You're talking out your ass.
Bernie’s entire political power came from pushing Congress on issues that would never pass.
Bernie was The Rollcall Amendment King. He passed oodles of lines of legislation amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars in policy. Far from being ineffectual, he was hugely influential in shaping American policy.
Where is the political economy in withholding health care during a pandemic?
The capitalist system benefits from selectively administering health care as a means of compelling labor. There is a great deal of political economy in the status quo and quite a few Congressmen on both sides of the aisle defend it. This isn't some kind of secret that only a floor vote on M4A will expose. It's nakedly apparent.
The current proposed legislation has 118 co-sponsors. That’s your list. If they’re not on the list, you can pretty much guarantee they don’t support this bill.
The Senate equivalent had Warren and Kamala as co-sponsors. Co-sponsoring and not co-sponsoring are not the same as a "yes" or "no" vote, especially in the eyes of voters.
Who the fuck are you to make such a declaration? You’re talking out your ass.
The fact that her approval rating is comparable to Nancy Pelosi's. She supposedly supports the most popular legislation in the country, but no one has a reason to believe her. She looks like a normal Democrat.
Bernie was The Rollcall Amendment King. He passed oodles of lines of legislation amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars in policy. Far from being ineffectual, he was hugely influential in shaping American policy
Bernie did not run on "I passed roll-call amendments." He ran on "I opposed the Iraq War and the bank bailout. You can trust that I will vote in your interests on M4A, GND, etc." I worked on both campaigns extensively. No one would ever bring up roll-call votes when spreading propaganda.
The capitalist system benefits from selectively administering health care as a means of compelling labor. There is a great deal of political economy in the status quo and quite a few Congressmen on both sides of the aisle defend it. This isn’t some kind of secret that only a floor vote on M4A will expose. It’s nakedly apparent.
The political economy of the imperialism was obvious to anyone paying attention in 2003. And yet, the vote for the Iraq War has become the most important issue in elections since. What's "nakedly apparent" to you is not to everyone else.
Co-sponsoring and not co-sponsoring are not the same as a “yes” or “no” vote
Bring the bill to the floor of the McConnell Senate and they can vote for it, the bill can still fail, and you can still insist they weren't really seriously in favor of the legislation.
If there was the will to pass it in the House, Pelosi would have brought it up by now. She did the Marijuana decriminalization, even though it will fail in the Senate.
There is no reason to play cover for the Democrats holding up M4A.
Progressives are clearly in the wrong for failing to leverage the Speakership vote publicly. There is no reason to defend them over it, even if you generally like them.
Why? How does a plurality in the Party help anything? Pelosi needs their votes to be Speaker. They can require that Pelosi make a public concession to their wing of the party. After this moment passes, Pelosi has no reason to listen to them again until 2022.
The fact that Democratic Entryists see "following up on campaign promises" as "flinging shit" is why nothing will ever happen from this strategy.
I do not care about signaling. This sounds like Libs defending Obama because he does not golf every weekend.
Here is the similarity between AOC and Obama: they both refuse to use their leverage - mass public support and opportunities of political power - to demand concessions in the public square. They are only interested in what's "achievable" in back-door deals.
This moment is the best leverage they will have in a very long time. It is incredibly lucky that the small progressive wing can swing the Speaker vote. At their current trajectory, progressives are decades away from controlling the House. We do not have that kind of time. They need to use this opportunity to its fullest.
Instead, they want us to believe they are working really really hard in back-door deals. Democratic careerists would much rather just say they are fighting for you behind closed doors.
It is such a fall from grace to see AOC go from occupying Pelosi's office with climate protestors in 2018. If there was ever a time to bring out your supporters for leverage, it is now. But back in 2018, they were harmless. It made for a good photo-op.
I imagine you supported that move by AOC. To go from that, to "shoot at the Queen, you best not miss" is embarrassing. She missed in 2018, and lost nothing.
Absolute Obama lib shit.
Because Pelosi isn't the final boss in a video game and beating her doesn't mean you win.
Going to do a Communism, but without communicating intent or efficacy to the proletariat. This vanguard can't fail.
Obama routinely used his leverage... to benefit institutions of capital and the police state. Let me know when AOC is campaigning for Joe Lieberman, re-upping Robert Gates to the Pentagon, and nixing a basketball walkout in protest of police brutality.
Cortez is currently backing a Ro Khanna's state-based M4A legislation, a law that has a much better chance of passing than blanket national M4A. Picking a fight with Pelosi right now would undermine that effort, given that both she and incoming HHS secretary Xavier Becerra support it.
M4A is not passing any time soon. Most of the Democratic Party is owned by Big Pharma and Biden has said he will veto. Anyone talking about "the chances of M4A passing" is lying to your face. That is what AOC and Ro Khanna are doing.
The goal right now is to expose the Democratic establishment. They are not interested in that.
We are about to see AOC vote for every single ghoul in Biden's administration. We can dig through her voting record and see countless evil bills she's voted on. She is not as powerful as Obama. She does not have the political clout to kill a basketball strike.
Then why push for a vote?
Joe Biden is already President. He'll be walking around with his pants at his knees for the next four years. They're exposed. Nobody is going to remember a quixotic M4A vote inside a month of it being cast.
The House doesn't vote on Presidential appointments, dummy.
To get opponents on record? You know, normal political tactics?
Why spend your time working on a bill that will not pass? All the efforts in the progressive bloc should be about delegitimizing the Democratic establishment. That is, if they were at all serious.
That all depends on how willing the progressive wing is willing to rail on Dems who voted against health care in a pandemic. There is no will to power in the progressive bloc, so we know that won't happen. They just want to be including in Democratic back-door dealings.
Her progressive friends in the Senate will. She will play her role in the House.
Again, you are caught up in the same political game that Obama fans were in 2009.
Plenty of House Reps are already on record.
That's what I'm asking you. You're ready to fight Pelosi for her speakership on this issue.
That's some naval gazing inside baseball shit. Nobody on the ground gives a shit. Congress already has a sub-10% approval rating. All you're doing is playing into the pissing contest.
Where is the political economy in this? Who cares? You're not doing a thing about material condition.
No they are not. No one is on record voting for M4A. Stop lying.
I want progressives to fight for a vote on M4A. No M4A bill is getting passed until, at least, 2024. The only way it will pass is if progressives win the presidency and can browbeat Congress to pass it.
The only way this will happen if the progressive make a clear distinction between themselves and the rest of the Democratic Party on popular issues - such as M4A. There is no difference between AOC and, say, Kamala Harris on this issue. They are both co-sponsors of the bill.
Right now, the only people who believe AOC is different than the Democratic machine are the people who want to believe her signaling is genuine. It is the same way Trump and Obama maintain their support despite doing nothing.
Bernie's entire political power came from pushing Congress on issues that would never pass.
He would not have been successful in 2016 if not for the fact that he voted against the war in Iraq and the bank bailouts. The entire propaganda effort for his campaign centered on these votes as proof of his legitimacy.
If you disagree with this tactic of building power, you should not be supporting any Democratic Party entryist.
Where is the political economy in withholding health care during a pandemic? How dense can you be?
Have you been paying attention to the outrage over withholding stimulus? Every person in my life who is not tuned into politics is pissed about the stimulus negotiations right now. People see M4A as pandemic relief.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1384/cosponsors?q={%22search%22:[%22medicare+for+all%22]}&r=1&s=1&searchResultViewType=expanded
The current proposed legislation has 118 co-sponsors. That's your list. If they're not on the list, you can pretty much guarantee they don't support this bill.
I haven't seen any indication that this is "the only way" M4A advances. Just to the contrary, I see a host of amendments that could advance M4A by other means. The Ro Khanna amendment is a big one.
Who the fuck are you to make such a declaration? You're talking out your ass.
Bernie was The Rollcall Amendment King. He passed oodles of lines of legislation amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars in policy. Far from being ineffectual, he was hugely influential in shaping American policy.
The capitalist system benefits from selectively administering health care as a means of compelling labor. There is a great deal of political economy in the status quo and quite a few Congressmen on both sides of the aisle defend it. This isn't some kind of secret that only a floor vote on M4A will expose. It's nakedly apparent.
The Senate equivalent had Warren and Kamala as co-sponsors. Co-sponsoring and not co-sponsoring are not the same as a "yes" or "no" vote, especially in the eyes of voters.
The fact that her approval rating is comparable to Nancy Pelosi's. She supposedly supports the most popular legislation in the country, but no one has a reason to believe her. She looks like a normal Democrat.
Bernie did not run on "I passed roll-call amendments." He ran on "I opposed the Iraq War and the bank bailout. You can trust that I will vote in your interests on M4A, GND, etc." I worked on both campaigns extensively. No one would ever bring up roll-call votes when spreading propaganda.
The political economy of the imperialism was obvious to anyone paying attention in 2003. And yet, the vote for the Iraq War has become the most important issue in elections since. What's "nakedly apparent" to you is not to everyone else.
Bring the bill to the floor of the McConnell Senate and they can vote for it, the bill can still fail, and you can still insist they weren't really seriously in favor of the legislation.
If there was the will to pass it in the House, Pelosi would have brought it up by now. She did the Marijuana decriminalization, even though it will fail in the Senate.
There is no reason to play cover for the Democrats holding up M4A.
Progressives are clearly in the wrong for failing to leverage the Speakership vote publicly. There is no reason to defend them over it, even if you generally like them.