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    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      1 year ago

      First, the vast majority of the American left are social democrats who support US imperialism.

      I don't think that's accurate or fair.

      The vast majority of the American left is anti-war and anti-imperialist. However, they're just as vulnerable to the propaganda saturation of mass media as anyone.

      Second, of the remaining Marxist-Leninists who care, do remember that Marxism-Leninism is founded on the principles of internationalism.

      I think the crux of the issue is that you can't act intentionally if you don't have a base of support locally.

      Third, the conditions for socialism in America are deeply tied to the demise of global neoliberal order.

      The demise of Neoliberalism is predicated on a restoration of local self-reliance. The global financialization is predicted on regional drought. Deprive the Global South of industry and the Global North of agriculture. Separate the ownership of property from the ownership of debt and of physical capital. Then collect a vig every time money changes hands.

      The only way to break that chain and liberate people is to re-establish local productive capital.

      Otherwise, all you're talking about doing is immiserating locals by severing the supply chains between them.

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        They are "internationalist" like "Free Hong Kong! Revolution of Our Time!" is "internationalist".

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          1 year ago

          When was the last time you saw Brace, Anders, Christman, or Richard Wolff do the Free Hong Kong or Slava Ukraine bullshit?

          When was the last time you saw this from the DSA?

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Some DSA segments love that shit. The fact that extremely online figures like Christman and Belden don't isn't a strong counterpoint.

            • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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              1 year ago

              Some DSA segments love that shit.

              Which locale are you talking about? It certainly isn't Houston DSA.

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                I'm sure that there are great ones too, but suffice it to say that the northeast has a lot of VoteBlue ideology even among its "socialists" and then more radical segments tend to be third-campists (who thereby also tend to like barely-veiled color revolution campaigns).

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      • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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        1 year ago

        The vast majority of the American left is anti-war and anti-imperialist. However, they're just as vulnerable to the propaganda saturation of mass media as anyone.

        You're contradicting yourself there, if the American left is vulnerable to the propaganda saturation of mass media then they aren't anti-war or anti-imperialist, as we've all seen in the last year and a half, the American "left" is fully comfortable with war and western military expansion as long as it's coached in acceptable terms by the media

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          1 year ago

          if the American left is vulnerable to the propaganda saturation of mass media then they aren't anti-war or anti-imperialist

          Pitching the Ukraine war as anti-imperialist and the coups in West Africa as pro-war help confuse and dilute the response our meager leftist organizations can manage.

          The morase of propaganda serves to divorce principle from action, as people with similar motives respond differently based on their sources of information.

          the American "left" is fully comfortable with war and western military expansion

          Shy of simply not joining the military, there isn't a lot Leftists can do to directly combat military expansionism.

          How would this site even treat a more radical approach? Would they know if a local base was being picketed by anti-war protesters? Would they even support it, or would they simply fed-jacket the protesters and whine about liberalism not going far enough?