ok so are there more prisoners per capita in america or china?
surely that should give some indication of how delusional this line is, i get it you hate states, good for you welcome to the 20th century its states buddy, you cant abolish 1 state at a time,
I'm not "praising" anything other than to say that this is in keeping with Marxist-Leninist tendency
Lenin "expanded "socialism" and the period of the DotP into a much longer historical stage, during which the proletariat's struggle with the still-vibrant bourgeoisie would require a more intense struggle with the full weight of state power under Communist Party control being directed at the capitalist classes. Throughout this period, the restoration of capitalism would be a constant threat and the Communist Party could use any means necessary to destroy the capitalists' social, economic and political power."
When I hear that CPC executes billionaires & jails them for posting cringe & pursues their Superyachts in the East River... then I know state capitalism for a Communist just hits different
I don't really think having billionaires is keeping in line with Marxist-Leninist tendency. I'll support China's state capitalism in the same way that I'll support social-democratic politicans in the US, but it's important to acknowledge that they're just creating a less shitty version of capitalism. Capitalism's internal contradictions are still vibrantly alive in China, there's still a bourgeoisie whose existence relies entirely on the state. I might just be misunderstanding you, but saying it "hits different" seems to be minimizing the current flaws China has. While its less flawed than the West, it's still highly flawed and deserves criticism, imo.
"during which the proletariat’s struggle with the still-vibrant bourgeoisie would require a more intense struggle with the full weight of state power under Communist Party control being directed at the capitalist classes. Throughout this period, the restoration of capitalism would be a constant threat and the Communist Party could use any means necessary to destroy the capitalists’ social, economic and political power.”
what about this doesn't apply to what you've just said?
the “historical period of socialism” is fraught with the choices between a “capitalist-road” and there is still “the danger of capitalist restoration”
there are still classes, class contradictions, and class struggle
Mao literally writes all of this, and says that this phase covers a “considerably long historical period”
nothing about what you’ve written means that state capitalism isn’t the first step in the initial stage of socialism, lol
"during which the proletariat’s struggle with the still-vibrant bourgeoisie would require a more intense struggle with the full weight of state power under Communist Party control being directed at the capitalist classes. Throughout this period, the restoration of capitalism would be a constant threat and the Communist Party could use any means necessary to destroy the capitalists’ social, economic and political power.”
Is this a direct quote? I'm trying to find the source.
y es, it’s completely tribal. Americans in capitalist prisons are victims of a system, but those stricken to Communist gulags must have done something to deserve it.
ok so are there more prisoners per capita in america or china?
surely that should give some indication of how delusional this line is, i get it you hate states, good for you welcome to the 20th century its states buddy, you cant abolish 1 state at a time,
You're the one that brought up the US. I think they're a bigger shithole than China. But that's your prerogative to defend.
Yes, PRC is doing better than the US socially & economically & from a public health perspective
Almost like state capitalism can be used toward the general welfare & improving social development
Should we be praising state capitalism? China's obviously better than a neoliberal hellscape, but isn't that a pretty low bar to be set?
I'm not "praising" anything other than to say that this is in keeping with Marxist-Leninist tendency
Lenin "expanded "socialism" and the period of the DotP into a much longer historical stage, during which the proletariat's struggle with the still-vibrant bourgeoisie would require a more intense struggle with the full weight of state power under Communist Party control being directed at the capitalist classes. Throughout this period, the restoration of capitalism would be a constant threat and the Communist Party could use any means necessary to destroy the capitalists' social, economic and political power."
When I hear that CPC executes billionaires & jails them for posting cringe & pursues their Superyachts in the East River... then I know state capitalism for a Communist just hits different
I don't really think having billionaires is keeping in line with Marxist-Leninist tendency. I'll support China's state capitalism in the same way that I'll support social-democratic politicans in the US, but it's important to acknowledge that they're just creating a less shitty version of capitalism. Capitalism's internal contradictions are still vibrantly alive in China, there's still a bourgeoisie whose existence relies entirely on the state. I might just be misunderstanding you, but saying it "hits different" seems to be minimizing the current flaws China has. While its less flawed than the West, it's still highly flawed and deserves criticism, imo.
"during which the proletariat’s struggle with the still-vibrant bourgeoisie would require a more intense struggle with the full weight of state power under Communist Party control being directed at the capitalist classes. Throughout this period, the restoration of capitalism would be a constant threat and the Communist Party could use any means necessary to destroy the capitalists’ social, economic and political power.”
what about this doesn't apply to what you've just said?
the “historical period of socialism” is fraught with the choices between a “capitalist-road” and there is still “the danger of capitalist restoration”
there are still classes, class contradictions, and class struggle
Mao literally writes all of this, and says that this phase covers a “considerably long historical period”
nothing about what you’ve written means that state capitalism isn’t the first step in the initial stage of socialism, lol
Is this a direct quote? I'm trying to find the source.
it's paraphrasing Lenin, but from a published source on CPC ideological development
https://books.google.com/books?id=g0PjFe5i0iEC&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=%22and+the+period+of+the+dictatorship+of+the+proletariat+into+a+much+longer+historical+stage%22&source=bl&ots=W0T7oy-vp4&sig=ACfU3U2WvLEgwetSNe1_nmxPMMm9PfgSWw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjH1uqTr9HtAhURRKwKHZHeAJIQ6AEwAHoECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=%22and%20the%20period%20of%20the%20dictatorship%20of%20the%20proletariat%20into%20a%20much%20longer%20historical%20stage%22&f=false
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you said theres no difference and im pointing out a difference
downvote but no response nice