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  • johnnycastaway [any]
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    4 years ago

    Father forgive socdems, for they know not what they are doing.

    Luke 23:34

    it's all about intent, I think. Someone moving leftward is probably gonna have some socdem tendencies on their way. You can't get the liberalism out of someone all at once.

  • Fakename_Bill [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Some of you really hate socdems more than fascists.

    And no, don't respond with that "social fascist" bullshit. If liberals == fascists, then words have no meaning.

      • PermaculturalMarxist [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        This simply isn't true, otherwise historical cases of fascist persecution of liberals and the subsequent formation of popular fronts would make no sense.

        • AdamSandler [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Fascists persecute liberals for not being orthodox enough. Liberals have never resisted a fascist government internally. In fact, fascist nations usually go to war with fascist nations all the time.

          • PermaculturalMarxist [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Liberals have never resisted a fascist government internally.

            Then why did, just to take a single example, did the social-democrats in Spain take up arms with the socialists, communists, and syndicalists to fight Franco? Unless you are saying that social democrats aren't liberals. The point is that these two groups are not the same, they have contradictions between them that can be leveraged to prevent the rise of fascism.