Here we have two examples of actually existing socialism. They have made achievement but they also have problems. However, Western Marxists have made no effort in trying to help these countries. There are no Western Marxists who have made any serious analysis of the economic problems of contemporary Cuba and North Korea, they have made no policy recommendations, they do not engage with the leaders, planners, engineers, economists etc of these nations.

The same was observed during the time of the USSR. While the USSR was struggling to deal with the practical aspects of building socialism, related to matters of economic calculation, organizational structures, production efficiencies etc, Western Marxists simply contended themselves with denouncing the Soviet Union and made no effort with starting a constructive dialogue with the scientists, engineers, economists and politicians of the USSR.

    • CEO_of_TrainGang [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah I pretty much agree with this. I don’t know enough about the DPRK to talk especially positively about it but I’ll always support their struggle against imperialism regardless. Vietnam, Cuba, etc, however are just objectively good and anyone who can’t bring themself to critically support them has no right calling themself an anti-imperialist

    • weshallovercum [any]
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      4 years ago

      Your moral support is useless. By abandoning, I mean the lack of constructive dialogue, no useful scientific research, no insights into the functioning of these societies etc.

      • CEO_of_TrainGang [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I’m not really sure how you expect Western leftists to do this kinda research on the DPRK when they’re (rightfully) very cautious about how much information they put out about themselves. I’d love to learn more about their country if more unbiased information was readily available

        • weshallovercum [any]
          11·
          4 years ago

          I'm not specifically talking about you, I'm talking about the Western leftist movement at large. There is basically no political or scientific connections between these countries with the leftist politicians, economists, intellectuals etc of the imperial countries.

            • weshallovercum [any]
              10·
              4 years ago

              I'm not getting upset at all, I'm simply trying to show you people how dumb you sound with your critical support and your criticism of AES nations without engaging my main point.

              I simply started a discussion showing how the relation of Western leftists to AES is essentially that of either derision or patronizing paternalism. The immense intellectual resources of these countries are not used to help these nations.

                • weshallovercum [any]
                  10·
                  4 years ago

                  Actually it you who is lost in the discourse. I merely made an observation, asked why this observation is true, and suggested that leftists can use their knowledge to help these countries. By leftists I mean people who are actually in a position to help them, like economists, politicians etc. I don't mean the average chapodweller.