Not really just dont intentionally downvote trans stuff because its trans stuff and you will be fine, if its an accident msg a mod and get the account back or just make a new one. Sorry sweetie but 1 trans account is worth 3 cis ones so its a net gain.
That was a joke as I couldn't believe the reply wasn't one.
Show me the huge swath of accounts that were unjustly banned and didn't return, I know of a handful that did talk to someone and it got sorted out. I know of a significant amount of trans accounts that left the site because of the issues hence my initial comment poking fun at the cissexism that is preventing people from taking the easy action to not be shitty to comrades.
It isn't a site based algorithm banning anyone who downvotes 3 times there are people looking into the downvoting history and comments to establish a harmful pattern.
The problem comes from what constitutes a pattern. Mods have already said that they can't looking up a users vote history, they just look at a post and record the upvoters/downvoters.
So if someone downvotes multiple shitty trans-related posts and then upvoters multiple good trans-related posts, they'd still get flagged as a transphobe, some mods are just looking at individual posts.
The mods are working together compiling the data and then examining the profiles of those in question as well as previous warnings. It isnt a haphazard or automated process, and it's based in lessening a quantifiable harm done to people and solidarity.
As someone who frequently experiences harassment based on being visibly trans I would appretiate a space free from stupididpol types to discuss leftist theory and ideas.
I've been involved in many in person organizations dedicated to the embetterment of life for trans people but it is more important to work on reconciling this in a movement that would have the means to improve everyone's lives.
This are spitball numbers but if 25 chapo accounts of trans people left this month due to the intentional downvoting and 5 innocent accounts got banned during the purge and 11 of those previous trans accounts return that's a net benefit not to mention the show of solidarity to the rest of the trans people here.
Finally as posted elsewhere trans people arent a political monolith plenty have internalized cisexism that manifests in wanting to make things easier for cis people as to not be a burden rather than criticizing the system that causes trans people to be constantly accommodating.
It's not neoliberal vapid actions to demand that people make an effort to be considerate.
if 25 chapo accounts of trans people left this month due to the intentional downvoting and 5 innocent accounts got banned during the purge and 11 of those previous trans accounts return that’s a net benefit
Yea I just don't see this as a good thing. There's got to be better ways to deal with the problem then an action that knowingly bans innocent accounts
If the issue is that trans users are seeing the number of downvotes trans-positives posts receive and that makes them feel unwelcome, then just remove the icon that shows the number of downvotes a post received. Still allow downvotes, but make it like reddit where you only see the net voting. There's any number of reasons why someone might downvote a post and I understand that trans users might see the downvotes and think it's targetted because of trans reasons. This fixes the immediate issue at hand. Obviously there is some deeper community building that should go on on making the community welcoming, but that kind of thing isn't something that can be solved with new rules and mods.
Yea that's a good idea, from some I've talked to it is mass downvoting not long after the post is made so you make a trans positive post and check an hour later to see it's at 1 that feels shitty and confusing. You are right that more needs to be done for community building.
Your suggestions are things that iirc need back end programming which takes time, during which the concerted effort to intentionally downvote trans posts would continue resulting in sustained negativity for some trans users.
And it isnt some imagined slight by trans folks it has been verified there are bad actors intentionally pushing stupididpol.
Again to me this seems like placing the freeze peach of a small set of users upset about not being able to downvote with abandon above the wellbeing of trans people hence me calling it cissexism as it is centering the desires of cis people at the extend of trans people.
Not really just dont intentionally downvote trans stuff because its trans stuff and you will be fine, if its an accident msg a mod and get the account back or just make a new one. Sorry sweetie but 1 trans account is worth 3 cis ones so its a net gain.
Why not just post to a trans only forum then?
That was a joke as I couldn't believe the reply wasn't one.
Show me the huge swath of accounts that were unjustly banned and didn't return, I know of a handful that did talk to someone and it got sorted out. I know of a significant amount of trans accounts that left the site because of the issues hence my initial comment poking fun at the cissexism that is preventing people from taking the easy action to not be shitty to comrades.
It isn't a site based algorithm banning anyone who downvotes 3 times there are people looking into the downvoting history and comments to establish a harmful pattern.
So again what's the problem?
The problem comes from what constitutes a pattern. Mods have already said that they can't looking up a users vote history, they just look at a post and record the upvoters/downvoters.
So if someone downvotes multiple shitty trans-related posts and then upvoters multiple good trans-related posts, they'd still get flagged as a transphobe, some mods are just looking at individual posts.
The mods are working together compiling the data and then examining the profiles of those in question as well as previous warnings. It isnt a haphazard or automated process, and it's based in lessening a quantifiable harm done to people and solidarity.
As someone who frequently experiences harassment based on being visibly trans I would appretiate a space free from stupididpol types to discuss leftist theory and ideas.
I've been involved in many in person organizations dedicated to the embetterment of life for trans people but it is more important to work on reconciling this in a movement that would have the means to improve everyone's lives.
This are spitball numbers but if 25 chapo accounts of trans people left this month due to the intentional downvoting and 5 innocent accounts got banned during the purge and 11 of those previous trans accounts return that's a net benefit not to mention the show of solidarity to the rest of the trans people here.
Finally as posted elsewhere trans people arent a political monolith plenty have internalized cisexism that manifests in wanting to make things easier for cis people as to not be a burden rather than criticizing the system that causes trans people to be constantly accommodating.
It's not neoliberal vapid actions to demand that people make an effort to be considerate.
Yea I just don't see this as a good thing. There's got to be better ways to deal with the problem then an action that knowingly bans innocent accounts
Yea if you have an idea I'm sure it would be considered. It's a rock and a hard place
If the issue is that trans users are seeing the number of downvotes trans-positives posts receive and that makes them feel unwelcome, then just remove the icon that shows the number of downvotes a post received. Still allow downvotes, but make it like reddit where you only see the net voting. There's any number of reasons why someone might downvote a post and I understand that trans users might see the downvotes and think it's targetted because of trans reasons. This fixes the immediate issue at hand. Obviously there is some deeper community building that should go on on making the community welcoming, but that kind of thing isn't something that can be solved with new rules and mods.
Yea that's a good idea, from some I've talked to it is mass downvoting not long after the post is made so you make a trans positive post and check an hour later to see it's at 1 that feels shitty and confusing. You are right that more needs to be done for community building.
Your suggestions are things that iirc need back end programming which takes time, during which the concerted effort to intentionally downvote trans posts would continue resulting in sustained negativity for some trans users.
And it isnt some imagined slight by trans folks it has been verified there are bad actors intentionally pushing stupididpol.
Again to me this seems like placing the freeze peach of a small set of users upset about not being able to downvote with abandon above the wellbeing of trans people hence me calling it cissexism as it is centering the desires of cis people at the extend of trans people.