heres how I know; vietnam & australia didn't need the vaccine to do it, so whatever it is that caused the US to not be able to deal with the pandemic without the vaccine is also gonna make the US be unable to deal with the pandemic with the vaccine.

The lack of the vaccine isn't the problem, corruption is. It isn't a tech problem, it's a governance problem. The US is gonna have COVID for ever.

PS, the exact same thing applies for climate change. Ppl be like "oh climate change will be fixed once we invent the right tech". The thing is, we already have the tech to end climate change, we're just ruled by ppl who don't want to. We're fucked, and we're fucked forever, stop waiting for the ghost of albert einstein to solve your problems for you with a glass vial & recognize that anyone who tells you to is the enemy

    • JayTwo [any]
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      4 years ago

      The Pfizer and Moderna ones are a logistical nightmare for a worldwide rollout because of how cold they have to be kept. We don't have the infrastructure for it. We don't even have the dry ice, which is the "easy" method.

      The Astra Zeneca vaccine is still in trials, until the end of next year. It got suspended temporarily for unexplained illness: spinal cord swelling, which is... disconcerting. It however, works by using a genetically modified adenovirus, and doesn't have to be treated anywhere near as delicately. Normal fridge temps are fine, AFAIK. Not -70 at all times.

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It got suspended temporarily for unexplained illness

        Yes, but that is not the reason it's still in trials right now, the reason is that their efficacy report the first time was a complete mess, they fucked up the dosage in some trials but figured out that the "wrong" dosage seemingly produced better results so eventually they released results for the "right" dosage which demonstrated 60% efficacy, the "wrong" dosage which demonstrated 90% efficacy (but in a restricted group) and then they averaged it together to get 75% (lol).

      • dallasw
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        1 year ago

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        • JayTwo [any]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah, you're right.

          I knew that Moderna's vaccine is supposed to last thirty days defrosted at fridge temp, as opposed to Pfizer's five. But I didn't realize when I wrote the comment that it didn't have to be frozen as aggressively.

          Still, the Astrazeneca vaccine is supposed to be able to last six months at fridge temps.

      • 4_AOC_DMT [any]
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        4 years ago

        Ah I didn't realize the Astra Zeneca vaccine was that resilient. Thanks for the explanation!