My feeling is that we’ll end up with both the US and Russia claiming victory. The narrative in the West has been that Russia wants nothing less than to fully conquer Ukraine and subsuming it back into the new Russian Empire. So a result where Ukraine keeps sovereignty, regardless of what else they had to give up, will be spun as “we stopped the orcs at the gates!” Conversely, Russia has internally depicted this as being about stopping NATO encroachment, so as long as the peace treaty has “no NATO membership for Ukraine,” they can claim they’ve successfully drawn a line in the sand that America cannot pass.
Gotta love it when libs break out the “we won because we got more kills” rationalizing for Vietnam, like it was a FPS.
we won because we got more kills
"Uh huh. And what's Saigon called these days?"
As I like to tell those Chuds, "All that killing and you couldn't even hold the line? Talk about not being able to play the objective
"the amazing military strategy of walk through the jungle until you get ambushed and then call in artillery and bombing runs on the closest civilian village
They can always bribe russian porkies, sign some bs agreement, and break it in 10 years. Its an important avenue that western ukraine-skeptics seem to miss.
