Not everyone is capable of performing labor. Yes some disabled people can perform labor, but not all. And many can perform labor but not necessarily to the same extent as others.
Do I not get "labour-vouchers" if I have a hard time focusing so my quality of work drops? What if I have a shutdown and can't work for a couple weeks? Tying your value as a human to the work you perform is ableist.
And labor vouchers tie someone's value as a human to the work they perform how? The entire point is that some people will contribute more to building socialism than others, and thus should be rewarded more. So long as no one profits off of another person's labor (and everyone gets what they need), then it's perfectly fine to encourage people to work more through the use of incentives
And labor vouchers tie someone’s value as a human to the work they perform how?
You are literally calling them labour vouchers. As in, you get them based on the labor you do.
some people will contribute more to building socialism than others, and thus should be rewarded more
to encourage people to work more through the use of incentives
lmao that's just capitalism with extra steps. You are literally calling for a profit motive in a communist society.
And even still, the people "willing" to do more work are inherently being valued as greater than those who aren't or can't, because they are being given more.
What would be purchasable with "labour vouchers" and why is it ok that disabled people can't have those things or have to work harder for less of those things?
Yes, capitalism is when people get paid for their work and not, you know, when people privately own capital. Our main problem is that people get paid, once we abolish that we don't have to worry about 10 white ghouls owning all the fucking land in the country
You are literally calling them labour vouchers. As in, you get them based on the labor you do.
Yes, and they are not a reflection of your value, but rather how much work you have performed.
I guess you're coming into this with hangups about our current society, that values you based on how much money you have. That is the problem, not that some sort of currency exists
What would be purchasable with “labour vouchers” and why is it ok that disabled people can’t have those things or have to work harder for less of those things?
Xboxes or other non-essential shit like that, did you expect me to say food or water or other necessities? And yea it's not fair, which is why perhaps people who find it more difficult to work than neurotypical or able-bodied people could perhaps, be given more labor vouchers for an equivalent unit of labor performed. Fuck it, make the multiplier so high that the differently abled will never want for anything, that's perfectly fine with me. However, until we reach post-scarcity for EVERYTHING, we do need to have some logical way of rationing scare resources. Luckily, food, water, shelter, education, healthcare, security, among others can be produced in such abundance that no one will go without them
That is the problem, not that some sort of currency exists
Currency inherently has value, personally owning currency inherently equates its value to you. It's literally saying "you did more so you are worth more". That's not a "hangup about our current society", it's the inevitable result of currency.
And yea it’s not fair, which is why perhaps people who find it more difficult to work than neurotypical or able-bodied people could perhaps, be given more labor vouchers for an equivalent unit of labor performed. Fuck it, make the multiplier so high that the differently abled will never want for anything, that’s perfectly fine with me.
A profit motive and means testing? That's some nice neoliberalism communism you've got going there.
And what's the difference between someone who is "too lazy to work" and therefore shouldn't get money, and someone who struggles greatly with work due to disability? It's not always so easy to tell.
Yes, neoliberals famously want to give everyone free food, water, healthcare, shelter, education, etc.
You anti-work "communists" are fucking impossible to reason with. Communism can only come about once we reach post-scarcity, something that we work towards under socialism (which, yes, will have currency and a profit motive). You cannot just press the communism button and expect everyone to get everything they ask for, that's just physically impossible under current conditions, but it is a future we can all work towards and build.
The one point that you have mentioned that is actually worth addressing is the difference between someone who is too lazy to work and someone who is incapable of working - good thing I'm not the one who decides what is what but I sure as hell know that using work output is not how we determine if someone is trying their best and cannot do more or if someone who is just too fucking lazy to help contribute what they can but still expect the fruits of other people's labor
Not everyone is capable of performing labor. Yes some disabled people can perform labor, but not all. And many can perform labor but not necessarily to the same extent as others.
Do I not get "labour-vouchers" if I have a hard time focusing so my quality of work drops? What if I have a shutdown and can't work for a couple weeks? Tying your value as a human to the work you perform is ableist.
And labor vouchers tie someone's value as a human to the work they perform how? The entire point is that some people will contribute more to building socialism than others, and thus should be rewarded more. So long as no one profits off of another person's labor (and everyone gets what they need), then it's perfectly fine to encourage people to work more through the use of incentives
You are literally calling them labour vouchers. As in, you get them based on the labor you do.
lmao that's just capitalism with extra steps. You are literally calling for a profit motive in a communist society.
And even still, the people "willing" to do more work are inherently being valued as greater than those who aren't or can't, because they are being given more.
What would be purchasable with "labour vouchers" and why is it ok that disabled people can't have those things or have to work harder for less of those things?
Yes, capitalism is when people get paid for their work and not, you know, when people privately own capital. Our main problem is that people get paid, once we abolish that we don't have to worry about 10 white ghouls owning all the fucking land in the country
Yes, and they are not a reflection of your value, but rather how much work you have performed. I guess you're coming into this with hangups about our current society, that values you based on how much money you have. That is the problem, not that some sort of currency exists
Xboxes or other non-essential shit like that, did you expect me to say food or water or other necessities? And yea it's not fair, which is why perhaps people who find it more difficult to work than neurotypical or able-bodied people could perhaps, be given more labor vouchers for an equivalent unit of labor performed. Fuck it, make the multiplier so high that the differently abled will never want for anything, that's perfectly fine with me. However, until we reach post-scarcity for EVERYTHING, we do need to have some logical way of rationing scare resources. Luckily, food, water, shelter, education, healthcare, security, among others can be produced in such abundance that no one will go without them
Currency inherently has value, personally owning currency inherently equates its value to you. It's literally saying "you did more so you are worth more". That's not a "hangup about our current society", it's the inevitable result of currency.
A profit motive and means testing? That's some nice
neoliberalismcommunism you've got going there.And what's the difference between someone who is "too lazy to work" and therefore shouldn't get money, and someone who struggles greatly with work due to disability? It's not always so easy to tell.
Yes, neoliberals famously want to give everyone free food, water, healthcare, shelter, education, etc.
You anti-work "communists" are fucking impossible to reason with. Communism can only come about once we reach post-scarcity, something that we work towards under socialism (which, yes, will have currency and a profit motive). You cannot just press the communism button and expect everyone to get everything they ask for, that's just physically impossible under current conditions, but it is a future we can all work towards and build.
The one point that you have mentioned that is actually worth addressing is the difference between someone who is too lazy to work and someone who is incapable of working - good thing I'm not the one who decides what is what but I sure as hell know that using work output is not how we determine if someone is trying their best and cannot do more or if someone who is just too fucking lazy to help contribute what they can but still expect the fruits of other people's labor