Give everyone what they deserve. Some fascists get a cbance at rehabilitation after reeducation, since most of them are some misguided, heavily brainwashed young men, and could end up becoming fierce supporters of socialism if they were to be stripped of their racist and xenophobic bullshit; the rest get sent to work camps. Neolibs and conservatives are fucking hopeless and better not get in the way, and thus must be watched until they finally go with the new flow, if they dare to do anything fishy, off to the gulags. Libs are irrelevant as always. Billionaires and world/military leaders get their Nuremberg, and go straight to the guillotine. Almost no exceptions considering the amount of horrors they unleashed on the world. Also, their wealth is collectivized, to be redistributed to those who have nothing left, and used to rebuild society (industrial capabilities, infrastructure, housing, so on...), or at least, to make sure there are no widespread issues like starvation or epidemics that'd arise in the wake of the revolution.
After the trials, nation-building would come. Firstly, we'd need show the crimes of capitalism, and I mean all of them. Showing the horrific truth needs to be done if we wish to progress beyond it. The second step would be to find a common ground with other socialists, no matter their ideologies, because there's been too much blood spilled over that shit, and that's what got us here. Having to make compromises is never easy nor fun, but it's better than getting lined up against a wall by the inevitable counter-coup, what happened countless times must not happen again. Speaking of counter-revolution, enemies of the people must be found, and dealt with accordingly, as previously stated. The military, police and intelligence agencies must imperatively be purged, same goes for the disloyal elements within the bureaucracy, which could either be swayed with a place in the government in exchange for their loyalty, or dismissed. In fact, that's one of the first steps not to end up coup'd, letting too reactionaries in positions of power before having our guys ready to fully take the reins is a recipe for disaster. The solidification of socialist rule would also entail the massive redistribution of the belongings of the bourgeoisie, and the creation of a decent welfare state for a change, with incredible concepts such as healthcare, free education, basic material rights, and so on...
Then would come the details, since the state is secured, with a loyal military, a supportive coalition and population, and a rebuilt state. The issue of decentralization would be the first one, alongside the organization of the economy. In my eyes, the state should run essential stuff, like nationalized transport, water, energy, military production and so on, while the consumer/more refined goods and services are mostly left to cooperatives, which get some support from the state if need be. The state should be unitary, but decentralized, with accomodations towards minorities if necessary. Political parties should be tied to unions, and thus would be tied to workplaces, which in turn are tied to the workers, which would deprive the bourgeoisie and the boomers from their right to dictate the future of the nation. Large programs for automation should be put in place to phase-out human labour, with both generous unemployment and pensions for the workers replaced by the machines. Said workers would need to be offered with free training in any field they want, because no matter what, there's going to be quite a lot of work to be done. Scientists should be reached, and incorporated into the leadership, because technocracy isn't inherently bad, and is compatible with socialism.
Something would need to be done about culture and entertainment too. We'd need to have a cultural revolution in a way, without destroying precious artifacts that is. What I mean is that the media should reflect the world, be less centered on personalities or vapid shit. "Reality TV" needs to fucking go, alongside most of the current mass media. The "capitalism encourages innovation" meme is so prevalent because of how much things started to suck in the last 30 years, removing its influence would finally allow a new generation of artists to flourish. The press should actually be free, as in, not owned by a few oligarchs who dictate everything. Its funding should come through taxes and sales. The focus of life would need to be changed after centuries of propaganda, because life isn't about competition, accumulation and crushing your neighbour. Cooperation should be emphasized first and foremost, and I think this alone would prove to be the hardest thing to unlearn for 99% of non-socialists. The state should adopt a secular stance, and completely separate religion from the state. Religions and their influence would need to be curbed, with sects and cults to be entirely destroyed. Scientology being the best example of why I'm thinking this. Other superstitions such as Astrology should be illegal, that's it.
Then, what's left to think of is mostly international stuff. Just uh, don't exploit others and stop droning civilians ? Dunno, that's just a guess. Creating a new, somehow working internationale would be a huge step towards a better and united humanity, with the rest of the world slowly ditching capitalism.
God I fucking wish. I fucking wish I lived in anything else but this capitalistic hellhole of a world.
Unironically, I wouldn't be a commie if I could simply grill in peace, without capitalism existing.
“Reality TV” needs to fucking go, alongside most of the current mass media.
If you take away my Survivor I will betray the revolution.
Kidding of course but please don't take away my Survivor.
Dunno what the hell is "survivor" lmao, I mostly refer to the ones where actors or very, very fucking dumb folks are put together somewhere and are made to provide entertainment.
Damn it was the biggest show on television in 2000 lol and is still going, though yeah its obscure today and I doubt most zoomers have heard of it. Its a competition based reality show about putting people in a remote place, usually an island, with limited supplies for survival and having them vote each other out. I love the social strategy element even though a lot of it is petty drama as well.
Oh I see. Well, there's been way worse in terms of reality TV, but I dislike that kind of stuff.
Probably its biggest sin is that its basically the reason the rest of reality TV exists. It wasn't the first Reality TV show in America (or even the first show with that premise internationally) but its huge success caused the huge boom of reality tv. It was like, the Super Mario of reality TV. I stand by the early seasons being legitimately quality television, and the later seasons being mostly dumb fun, but yeah.
Billionaires and world/military leaders get their Nuremberg, and go straight to the guillotine. Almost no exceptions considering the amount of horrors they unleashed on the world.
Honestly, I'm still pretty strongly against a post-revolutionary organization, whether it be officially a state or otherwise, engaging in organized killing of anyone if that person could be safely tucked away somewhere without being a threat to the revolution. Ethically, I don't see the point in revenge-based murder. If the revolution is effective, these people shouldn't be any kind of threat. The necessity of killing is a purely utilitarian one for me, so I'm only concerned about what these people can do going forward. I get that emotionally some people are fixated on brutal violent justice, but I don't think thats a healthy path for a revolution to go down if it can be avoided.
I wouldn't die on this hill. I'd do what I could to advocate for my position, but I recognize that its a fight I'm probably not going to win. And I wouldn't mourn these people when they are dead. I just have strong feelings about the idea that state (or organized society that technically isn't a state) killing is a bad idea ethically no matter how monstrous the person.
I seperated this from the Survivor comment because that one is trivial lol.
How exactly is a revolution going to be so successful that billionaires and their reactionary followers won't try to organize a counter-revolution?
I'm not suggesting we let them live freely and have influence.
Not sure what purged means in this context. My preference would be that they be isolated from society in reasonably comfortable conditions, and definitely not allowed to have a platform. I also believe all justice should at least try to be reformative, though I admit I don't think it would work on most of them. I just think its the ethically correct thing to try to.
When I use the term purge, I mean to remove them from a position of power or influence, attempt to deradicalize their reactionary tendencies, or lock them up if absolutely necessary
I'm going to go sit at home and do nothing knowing I don't have to feel bad about it anymore
In chronological order :
- Nationalize all banks, utilities and resource extraction firms.
- Land value Tax and progressive income tax replace all other taxes
- Arm most of the population to the same extent as the military
- Convert to cashless society. Every single transaction can now be recorded and monitored. This data will be useful for the planning system.
- Free education at all levels.
- Pass a law mandating all firms to be run by elected managers only
- Criminalize rent, and heavily tax empty property, bringing house prices to a fraction of their current level. Build public housing and fully electrified public transport on a massive scale. Decriminalize siezure of private property as long as it is siezed by its employees.
- Technocratic alternative to siezure of private property is heavy taxation of dividend income and wealth gained from stock trading. This will drive down market cap of companies. Pass a law such that only employees can purchase stock of their company. Tax breaks for employee purchase of their own company's stock.
- Start war effort to get to 100% nuclear+solar+wind.
- End license monopoly of doctors, dentists etc. Implement universal health insurance.
- Begin developing a computerized planning system.
- Encourage automation through incentives to firms that fully automate, implement UBI.
- Reward firms with subsidies that scale with their annual increase in labor productivity. Allow stagnating firms to fail.
- Subsidize full automation of agriculture to get rid of any pesky kulak problem.
- Emphasize teaching of philosophy, political economy, ethics etc in schools.
- Abolish intellectual property.
- Abolish money, replace with labour-vouchers.
- Test economic planning on a small scale at the town level, and gradually scale it up
Richard Wolff and Paul Cockshott have great youtube channels on practical socialist ideas.
Abolish money, replace with labour-vouchers.
So still money, but ableist in name?
Do, uh, do you think that differently-abled people are incapable of performing labour? Like, do you think that manual labour is all that exists? Seems pretty ableist
Not everyone is capable of performing labor. Yes some disabled people can perform labor, but not all. And many can perform labor but not necessarily to the same extent as others.
Do I not get "labour-vouchers" if I have a hard time focusing so my quality of work drops? What if I have a shutdown and can't work for a couple weeks? Tying your value as a human to the work you perform is ableist.
And labor vouchers tie someone's value as a human to the work they perform how? The entire point is that some people will contribute more to building socialism than others, and thus should be rewarded more. So long as no one profits off of another person's labor (and everyone gets what they need), then it's perfectly fine to encourage people to work more through the use of incentives
And labor vouchers tie someone’s value as a human to the work they perform how?
You are literally calling them labour vouchers. As in, you get them based on the labor you do.
some people will contribute more to building socialism than others, and thus should be rewarded more
to encourage people to work more through the use of incentives
lmao that's just capitalism with extra steps. You are literally calling for a profit motive in a communist society.
And even still, the people "willing" to do more work are inherently being valued as greater than those who aren't or can't, because they are being given more.
What would be purchasable with "labour vouchers" and why is it ok that disabled people can't have those things or have to work harder for less of those things?
Yes, capitalism is when people get paid for their work and not, you know, when people privately own capital. Our main problem is that people get paid, once we abolish that we don't have to worry about 10 white ghouls owning all the fucking land in the country
You are literally calling them labour vouchers. As in, you get them based on the labor you do.
Yes, and they are not a reflection of your value, but rather how much work you have performed. I guess you're coming into this with hangups about our current society, that values you based on how much money you have. That is the problem, not that some sort of currency exists
What would be purchasable with “labour vouchers” and why is it ok that disabled people can’t have those things or have to work harder for less of those things?
Xboxes or other non-essential shit like that, did you expect me to say food or water or other necessities? And yea it's not fair, which is why perhaps people who find it more difficult to work than neurotypical or able-bodied people could perhaps, be given more labor vouchers for an equivalent unit of labor performed. Fuck it, make the multiplier so high that the differently abled will never want for anything, that's perfectly fine with me. However, until we reach post-scarcity for EVERYTHING, we do need to have some logical way of rationing scare resources. Luckily, food, water, shelter, education, healthcare, security, among others can be produced in such abundance that no one will go without them
That is the problem, not that some sort of currency exists
Currency inherently has value, personally owning currency inherently equates its value to you. It's literally saying "you did more so you are worth more". That's not a "hangup about our current society", it's the inevitable result of currency.
And yea it’s not fair, which is why perhaps people who find it more difficult to work than neurotypical or able-bodied people could perhaps, be given more labor vouchers for an equivalent unit of labor performed. Fuck it, make the multiplier so high that the differently abled will never want for anything, that’s perfectly fine with me.
A profit motive and means testing? That's some nice
neoliberalismcommunism you've got going there.And what's the difference between someone who is "too lazy to work" and therefore shouldn't get money, and someone who struggles greatly with work due to disability? It's not always so easy to tell.
Yes, neoliberals famously want to give everyone free food, water, healthcare, shelter, education, etc.
You anti-work "communists" are fucking impossible to reason with. Communism can only come about once we reach post-scarcity, something that we work towards under socialism (which, yes, will have currency and a profit motive). You cannot just press the communism button and expect everyone to get everything they ask for, that's just physically impossible under current conditions, but it is a future we can all work towards and build.
The one point that you have mentioned that is actually worth addressing is the difference between someone who is too lazy to work and someone who is incapable of working - good thing I'm not the one who decides what is what but I sure as hell know that using work output is not how we determine if someone is trying their best and cannot do more or if someone who is just too fucking lazy to help contribute what they can but still expect the fruits of other people's labor
Making another Tower of Babel so I can start speaking English II
Caulk the wagon and ford the river
Wait what was the question?
