The overlap between Kremlin and Russian mob is a flat circle. Dissidents get jailed. LGBTQ rights get trampled. Corrupt oligarchy. Open political assassinations. Scientists getting suicided. Polonium poisoning. Invading Ukraine. Funding Erdogan's army against ethnic populations. Extending the Presidency to a virtual lifetime appointment. Etc.

But somehow any mention of Russia gets poo poo'd and dismissed.

It's amazing that the Trumps and Bidens and Giulianis and Manaforts, etc. get linked to backroom deals, and everyone wants to point out the corruption, but not the partner on the other end.

Russia bad.

  • HarryLime [any]
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    Yes, if the places you "invaded" are overwhelmingly populated by members of your country's ethno-linguistic group who want absolutely no part of the literally fascist ideology and rhetoric that the central government is propagating against them, at times literally burning them alive in the mad desire to drive out your supposed influence.

    • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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      oh i'm sure it was very altruistic and on behalf of totally organic separatists who were so anti-fascist they wanted to join the Russian federation (a very antifascist state)

      • HarryLime [any]
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        They want to join the Russian federation because they're fucking Russians.

        • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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          so we agree the fascism has nothing to do with it then

          we are left with the fact you think murdering thousands of people on their behalf is cool though

          • HarryLime [any]
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            so we agree the fascism has nothing to do with it then

            Well, when the central government is on an ideological project to rehabilitate Nazi collaborators and turn them into national heroes who valiantly tried to liberate Ukraine from the tyranny of Russian domination and their Judeo-Bolshevik puppet masters, I'd say Fascism has a lot to do with it. When the government is trying to smother a language that a large percentage of the population speaks, and demonizes a country that a large percentage of the population identifies with, I'd say Fascism has a lot to do with it.

            • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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              Nothing Ukraine did justifies an invasion. Fucking regional-national language status is not something you get to kill people over.

              The most egregious Ukrainian nationalism came after Russia got involved, which should be expected and not retroactively used as justification

                • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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                  Russia didn’t “get involved,”

                  see invasion, also "their guy" or whatever-not really; but they are protecting him from justice-Yanukovych killed hundred+ people at Euromaidan, which did have right wing elements--it could even have been fully right wing--massacre-ing protestors is not cash money dude

                  especially egregious when it’s Ukraine

                  if you wanna talk 1000 years there's plenty of grievances the Ukrainians get to bring up too. That's nationalism, nobody wins.