• aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    That's not really even a Chinese saying. The English version would be "It is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission". Literally almost every culture has a version of this saying, there's nothing inherently Chinese about it.

    • Poop [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Old Chinese saying: "I like being evil and committing atrocities MUAHAHAHA"

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Hilarious orientalism. Just like how "saving face" is just doing things to avoid public humiliation, but somehow only the Chinese do it.

      • bockwad [he/him]
        hexagon
        ·
        4 years ago

        yeah, just say it like yoda and say its an ancient chinese proverb or something iunno

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          The Western firm completely run by White people at the executive level that I worked for was packed with sons and daughters of clients and industry big wigs.

          Now I understand that said firm must have been secretly Chinese.

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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    4 years ago
    1. go to r/politics or r/news or some massive, lib subreddit
    2. use a whole lot of words to say "china authoritarian and scary" with made up anecdotes and nonsense
    3. enjoy reddit premium for the next 6 years
  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Huge fishing fleets flagged in Taiwan have been responsible for trawling vast areas of the sea in the EEZs of third world countries clean. In fact, they had a substantial role in overfishing the Gulf of Aden to such an extent that nearby Somali fishermen had to turn to piracy.

    And yet nobody posts about that. I wonder why :thinkin-lenin:

    • read_freire [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I'm pretty sure it was french nuke dumping that turned Somali fishers to piracy. Taiwanese overfishing probably didn't help though

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        IIRC correctly from a paper I wrote about it way back in the day, a lot of toxic waste was dumped by French and Swiss companies, as well as the Italian mafia's waste disposal fronts.

        At the same time, there was mass overfishing from Taiwanese and Thai(?) Fleets.

        Turns out that if your government can't defend your maritime borders, all sorts of assholes will take advantage.

        • read_freire [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          I think the french were using org crime to dump too

          I'm just saying it's one thing if it's harder to get a catch, it's another if everyone eating your fish is dying from cancer. Ask the Athabascans

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            I think the french were using org crime to dump too

            Thank you for the mental image of a gang of organized criminal mimes.

    • bockwad [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      :this: You said what I was thinking with actual knowledge. Thanks.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        If you want to look into it more, the Taiwanese fishing industry was recently hit with a forced labor designation by the US.

        Also reports by some Western NGOs say that there's systemic human rights abuses and wild life poaching happening on those Taiwanese ships.

        I don't know enough about the landscape of environmental NGOs (which are good, which are flawed, which are just mouthpieces) so I won't post any articles. However, I'd be grateful if any Chapos who are in the know could recommend some.

        Anyway, shit's gotta be megafucked if even the US is slapping those labels.

  • breadandcircuses [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    a lot to unpack here but

    an Internet that's controlled from the top

    how the fuck do they think the Internet works?

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Xi is playing 7D Wei Qi by creating Winnie the Pooh memes and banning anyone who circulates them.

    • Duo [any]
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      4 years ago

      Every post you see on Weibo was actually written by Xi himself.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      US and Western fleets that sail through the region to stir up trouble should unironically be sunk though.

    • bockwad [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I don't think these people are capable of thought and reflection in the first place. I think they take their western sources at face value and don't consider that stories are unnaturally promoted, embellished, or potentially fabricated.

      Like how often do fishing violations happen all over the world? Why is this instance in particular being made into a story on channel 4?

    • bockwad [he/him]
      hexagon
      ·
      4 years ago

      :gold-ancom: mods we need an actual Reddit gold emoji

  • bockwad [he/him]
    hexagon
    ·
    4 years ago

    https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/klo0px/peruvian_coastguards_vs_massive_chinese_fishing/

    • conductor [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Using colonialist nomenclature to designate actual borders is silly.

  • Spirit_of_Communism [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    I grew up watching the US turn cities into rubble, I know many people who are terrified to even walk by the US embassy. Do they really expect me to think China is an aggressor when they've done none of that?

  • conductor [comrade/them]
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    edit-2
    4 years ago

    That thread was so fucking bazaar. Just full (more than the usual amounts ) of anti-china shit.

    I don't know how much of it is CIA and how much is just dumbass redditors fully gorged on propoganda, but fuck...

    • bockwad [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      thank you mod, I will do this next time.