Seriously tho.

And I don't mean that in a dunking kind of way, I just genuinely think it's an interesting way to go about things.

  • ap1 [any,undecided]
    3·
    4 years ago

    sure but that was not post-scarcity and under a different ethics system. the point i was making was it is possible to be vegetarian without the directly causing the death of animals - it's just almost impossible to do so in our current society

    • LessNephrons1 [he/him]
      ·
      4 years ago

      Under what real world ethics system would dairy cows who have stopped making milk, their calves, female chickens who have stopped laying, and their male counterparts, to live out their natural life spans (10-22 years), while also being a system under which milk and eggs are harvested?

      • ap1 [any,undecided]
        2·
        4 years ago

        People do this all the time with family animals. Many people I know keep chickens until they die, regardless if they are still laying eggs. Same with cows. I don't keep pets and avoid dairy/egg products but I don't think they're doing anything shameful.

      • ap1 [any,undecided]
        4·
        4 years ago

        I agree, but you can draw the line at murder vs exploitation consistently if you so choose. Most of the world seems fine with exploitation. I am not quite convinced yet that animal exploitation is worse than human exploitation, and my existence still relies on both happening despite how much I try to minimise it.

          • ap1 [any,undecided]
            3·
            4 years ago

            I'm aware. But it's impossible to live without consuming products that were created by exploiting humans and depending on your circumstances, the same goes for animals. It's easy for me to live without directly causing the death of either. I strive to minimise my harm to both. Are you intentionally avoiding the point I'm trying to make here?