And realise it's not good for me to be this invested in your dumb affairs. Yet here we are.

The "he's embarrassing us in front of the cool kids" contingent: https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1344652899771707393?s=19

https://twitter.com/onesarahjones/status/1344702225675857922?s=19

https://twitter.com/Dan_Arrows/status/1344684216446054403?s=19

The "this isn't how you do politics" division https://twitter.com/nataliesurely/status/1344658566477709313?s=19

The "People should never be yelled at or be angry, especially if it's a white man doing it" battalion https://twitter.com/Vanessa_ABee/status/1344670081436033026?s=19

https://twitter.com/katewillett/status/1344741111563243520?s=19

The "he has an expensive house" partisans https://twitter.com/JaneOst_/status/1344699611689185280?s=19

The Means_TV crew making a prescedant https://twitter.com/ChiJohnnyCash/status/1344663683327283200?s=19

You can probably find more. The question you should ask yourself why is there a vacuum in the conversation for Jimmy to fill in the first place? Why aren't your "progressives" the ones leading?

The only good thing in the quoted thread is this: https://twitter.com/asankawlk/status/1344644783801655298?s=19
And Dore is right when he says you should treat your politicians like civil servants. They are not you friends.

  • anthm17 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    not because what few socialists in Congress are insufficiently committed to it.

    What are they committed too?

    What is the argument for voting for Pelosi? She fucked AOC on that committee seat.

    This is what AOC has said she’s working on

    behind the scenes, working very hard. just trust her if you let her work for long enough then at some point Pelosi will give her a concession, just you wait!

    To go into details on why I think “forcing the vote” is a stupid concession to go after, it’s because it doesn’t advance the mission to get M4A at all. It doesn’t tell us anything about which Democrats support it and which don’t, in fact, it literally gives the anti-Medicare for All Democrats more cover because they could vote for it knowing it will fail. For that reason alone I think forcing the vote is actively harmful to the M4A fight. I also don’t buy “Democrats who vote against M4A open themselves up to primary challenges” because we just say Joe Biden thrash Bernie Sanders head-to-head in a Democratic primary earlier this year. The media would frame it as “M4A loses by a giant margin on the House floor” immediately. The left needs to extract real material victories from the House leadership, not symbolic ones.

    it's amazing to me that people are completely unable to see the politics of forcing a vote on universal health care during a pandemic. It's astounding.

    • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I absolutely do see the politics of voting for M4A in a pandemic, which I addressed in the section you quoted. It gives plenty of cover for anti-M4A Democrats to pretend they support it.

      If you forced the vote right now, how do you prevent the following scenario from happening: Many Democrats who actually oppose M4A vote for it to prove their leftist bona fides and ward off primary challenges. The vote still fails, but now incumbent Democrats can pretend they supported it when the left tries to primary them.

      • anthm17 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Except as soon as they get primaried they will still default to attacking it.