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Hello everyone! Today at 20:00GMT I'll be having my conversation with @VaushV, do come by and chill with us as we have a productive and pleasant discussion on our outlooks on reform and revolution. I will link it once we're about to start.— Hakim (@YaBoiHakim) January 3, 2021

Apologies for the V**shposting, but I think this warrants an exception because it's also Hakimposting.

Please support Hakim as he destroys him with facts and the immortal science.

  • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Yo wait this is dope as fuck. I wish every interaction between leftists was live and in person, they're actually being kinda nice and understanding of each other. It's easy for me to forget Vaush is fundamentally kinda into working class politics. It's just unfortunate he's such a dumbass that refuses to learn. Vaush is like me when I first got interested in leftism, except he for some reason has an audience that listens to him which I'm SO glad I didn't have. A leftist that doesn't understand leftism.

    ^NOT VAUSH APOLOGIA

    EDIT: Nvm, I'm annoyed. Vaush didn't really go mask off. Hakim said obvious ML stuff, and since it's so difficult to argue with in good faith, Vaush is like "yeah I agree" but really he doesn't agree at all lmao. Hakim is like "social democracy is a bad goal to have" and Vaush is like "yeah totally it's a sinkhole" BUT EVERYTHING YOU SAY NORMALLY IS SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC?? Damn I gotta log off.

    • P00h_Beard [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      While I understand the doomerism of "best we can have is European SocDem system" I don't think Vaush realizes how bad things are going to be in the US in the near future economically.

      • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It'll be interesting to see. I imagine it'll be similar to the economic fall of Sweden 1950-1980 which gave rise to a fairly large communist movement, which eventually disintegrated and led to lots of genuinely good socdem policies, and now it's neoliberal as fuck. I imagine this will be the fate of the US.

      • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I watched some more of the stream after Hakim left and I'm even more confused. He said "If socialist countries implemented market socialism and banded together against the US, they would make the US dependent on them which would prevent military intervention." Literally today's China. Someone in the chat said "Isn't China doing this?" and he said "well China isn't socialist so no."

        LMao

        Actually it is very interesting that he came to that conclusion.

          • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Honestly I'm not comfortable speaking on China. It's a very complicated situation all around and my pea brain can't handle it. But I think there are valid reasons for Dengist market policies, the mass expansion of trade & participation in global capitalism is definitely a part of what has led China to be where they are today. I think to wish that China was China but with worker co-ops is kind of a useless take, they did what they did as a country to thrive in global capitalism. China as the mass industrial power today is not something that would arise from anarchist type worker co-ops, though it's interesting to speculate. My guess is much heavier US intervention and eventual coup. Who knows.

            Vaush is totally correct in this bit of analysis though. Actually I was pretty happy to see this interaction between them. If I met Vaush at work or something and he started talking about American politics and union power I'd definitely be like "hell yeah dawg let's hang out" but because we're online it feels like the left has way more power than it does so we instantly become sectarian and start to shit on other leftists. Not to say that he's completely wrong on so many fronts, but I just wish we could all set all that shit aside until we had any power. Same goes equally for Jimmy Dore and all the fervently anti-Jimmy Dore people.