So I fell down a rabbit hole of reading about the Armenian and Greek genocides, and the population exchange of '23 and I think Turkey might not be so great y'all. I've always been a fan because cooked properly and with decent gravy it's a beautiful holiday treat, but i think Turkey may be bad y'all.
For real, what's up with Turkey, enlighten me please!
Anyone else remember a few years ago when Erdogan was in DC, and his security went and beat the shit out of anti Turkey protesters, in the fucking USA and Trump didn't do jack shit about it?
I remember wishing the protesters were armed and making jokes about how the cops always seem eager to beat the shit out of people all the time but apparently not this time.
if by ally you mean victims of 8 different CIA orchestrated succesful coups you'd be right.
Fair criticism. That is a good point. We did neg them into being our friends.
one of my fondest memories of reddit is when after the 2016 coup, the entirety of reddit collectively came to the conclusion that it was a false flag operation by erdogan.
I'm not gonna pretend to know dick about whether or not it was, but somehow at any given point in time, america has a perfectly untarnished reputation in the minds of liberals.
Fethulla Gulen is for sure an asset for american intelligence.
I’m not gonna pretend to know dick about
Fethulla Gulen is for sure an asset for american intelligence
dude if you don't know anything then shut up. this is the kind of stuff that makes people laugh at leftists.
I said I'm not gonna pretend to know dick about the actual coup in 2016. if you think it's a conspiracy to suggest the 5 or so coups between 1950 to 1999 weren't heavily influenced by the cia I'd really urge you to read up on them and see what their political outcomes were.
I'm 100% sure gulen is a cia asset. the guy lives on a massive estate in Pennsylvania and is the owner of a business that operates literally hundreds of turkish charter schools all around the world.
it's as obvious as Ahmed Chalabi's relationship with the cia...
Step 1: establish borders beyond the places where people are majority Turkish
Step 2: beef with literally everyone who isn't a Turk
Step 3: keep one around that you beef with indefinitely so you have someone to blame for your failuresI know I'll get gulag'd for this but isn't this literally what modern day russia does? all of their wars post-USSR have ostensibly been about protecting a russian minority in a non-russian territory
remember that turkish nationalist bot on reddit that would go absolutely wild on thanksgiving
there was a bot with a quiverful of pro-AKP and erdogan copypasta that would show up every time a post mentioned "turkey"
They're very bad, today they are one of the foremost state sponsors of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, which as usual goes completely unremarked upon in Western media. They are pretty much the only reason the war in Syria is still ongoing, are now projecting power into Libya to keep that war ongoing, and were also the backers of Azerbaijan in their recent war with Armenia.
you cant have a fair take on the genocides without understanding what the ottoman empire was in the late 19th and early 20th century in the context of European development.
theres an article written by Rosa Luxemburg titled 'on social democracy, and the national struggles of Turkey'. she wrote it in 1896 after the hamidian massacres. she describes the pathetic state of the ottoman economy and the futility of any attempts at industrialization. she concludes more or less that the lands and the people have no realistic path towards modernization without a modern state, and that the turk was just as burdened with the existence of the empire as any christian minority. in the end she advocated for socialists to support armenian independence.
look at the Crimean war in the 1850s; russia decides to take a large chunk of the empire, and possibly put the ottomans down for good. France and Britain intervene and keep the wretched beast alive. why? none of the powers could agree upon how to carve the thing up. the balance between the powers must be kept and all that bs.
take a look at the treaty of Lausanne signed at the conclusion of the turkish war for independence, and compare it to the treaty of sevres signed at the end of ww1. that's what the genocides were about. and in my opinion, in these ethnic conflicts mass deportations and killings are inevitable.
fucking Mussolini's Italy of all empires was gonna get modern day southern turkey as a colony lmao.
the tragedy of the story is that the empire and all the inter-ethnic conflicts could have been resolved violently in an age before the mass production of rifles and heavy artillery...that way the killings would have been less efficient.
but yes modern turkey is a fucking joke. dont take a trip. who knows what it would look like if not for the purging of leftists throughout the entire cold war. that you can thank the cia for.