You've all probably heard by now, but a bunch of Trump supporters are marching on DC on Wednesday to pressure Congress into overturning the election. Trump is supportive of this. What do you think will happen? Will it be super small, or will it actually change Congress' votes?

Also, isn't it insanely hypocritical how these fuckers wouldn't shut up about Hillary trying to "steal" the election in 2016, and now are doing the exact same thing?

  • thefunkycomitatus [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    We can agree the Democrats are shit without pretending that they’re the reason the GOP has gone full fascist.

    I'm not pretending. Democrats are the reason there's no viable choice to full fascism and they participated heavily in letting the right drag the Overton Window towards fascism. If you don't use your political power to provide an alternative to a growing fascist movement, and in some ways enable it, then you're complicit.

    The GOP in 2020 is outwardly saying “OVERTURN THE ELECTION!” They are engaging in what is probably the most significant attack on what little democracy the USA has since Reconstruction.

    2000, 2004 in recent history. We haven't had legitimate elections in a while. Those were completely stolen elections. And then Pelosi chose not to impeach Bush over Iraq. Then Obama decided not to charge the Bush admin and actually sympathized with Bush, according to Obama's book. Because they failed to act the Republicans got away with it and were emboldened.

    Let me drive the point home to you. The day after the 2016 election Hillary and her people had a meeting on what do next. Before the Mueller Report, before any investigations into sketchy business dealings, before the Senate report on the hacking, they decided the narrative would be that Russia helped Trump steal the election. So they came to a conclusion based on little information and then decided to come up with the actual evidence later. Why do democrats get to do it and it's shitty but not the end of the world. But when Republicans do it it's an attack on democracy? It was an attack on Democracy when Democrats did it too. That's the point. They get to do shit and people apologize for it because Republicans are worse. And we're supposed to live in a world where Democrats do this stuff and then the underhanded cheating party running against them is supposed to not do it. What do you expect?

    • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I’m not pretending. Democrats are the reason there’s no viable choice to full fascism and they participated heavily in letting the right drag the Overton Window towards fascism. If you don’t use your political power to provide an alternative to a growing fascist movement, and in some ways enable it, then you’re complicit.

      I agree with this. The Democrats are feckless losers who will let the GOP walk all over them. Nothing in my previous post suggests I believe otherwise.

      2000, 2004 in recent history. We haven’t had legitimate elections in a while. Those were completely stolen elections. And then Pelosi chose not to impeach Bush over Iraq. Then Obama decided not to charge the Bush admin and actually sympathized with Bush, according to Obama’s book. Because they failed to act the Republicans got away with it and were emboldened.

      I agree with this. The Democrats are feckless losers who will let the GOP walk all over them. Nothing in my previous post suggests I believe otherwise.

      Let me drive the point home to you. The day after the 2016 election Hillary and her people had a meeting on what do next. Before the Mueller Report, before any investigations into sketchy business dealings, before the Senate report on the hacking, they decided the narrative would be that Russia helped Trump steal the election. So they came to a conclusion based on little information and then decided to come up with the actual evidence later. Why do democrats get to do it and it’s shitty but not the end of the world. But when Republicans do it it’s an attack on democracy? It was an attack on Democracy when Democrats did it too. That’s the point. They get to do shit and people apologize for it because Republicans are worse. And we’re supposed to live in a world where Democrats do this stuff and then the underhanded cheating party running against them is supposed to not do it. What do you expect?

      Hillary Clinton and her people were private citizens with basically no hard political power who went on an extended cope bender and spent a couple years grifting for their TV shows and book circuits. They exaggerated stuff about Russiagate/Ukraine in order to paint the Trump presidency as illegitimate (and, to be fair, top Trump Admin officials let the Democrats do the investigation and one Republican senator literally voted to convict him). Even if the Democrats accomplished everything they set out for, all that would have happened is Trump being replaced by Pence, another Republican. At no point did they declare the GOP illegitimate or try to remove them from power other than at the ballot box. That is not comparable to a sitting president actively calling election officials to falsify numbers to keep a party that won the election out of power and a party that lost the election in power.

      I don't know what you're trying to say here. If you think the GOP is only engaging in fascist tactics because the Democrats do the same thing, I do not agree and the evidence does not hold up. If you think the GOP is engaging in fascist tactics because they're a fascist party that outright hates democracy and the Democrats are too feckless to stand up to them, I agree with that. That's fairly obvious.