I don't think so. Those people have wrapped their identity up in being part of the system, you can't just own someone with facts and logic into being a communist. You might get them to realize that a singular facet of their understanding, or even multiple, are wrong, but you won't change what's at the core of someone like that.
No you can't facts and logic them. I guess my point was that you have to find an approach that they find agreeable or even interesting. Capital for all its strength will not resonate with most Econ nerds.
really you need to speak their language (supply and demand, invisible market forces, inalienable rights, shitting your pants, etcetera), you hook them in with the allure of FACTS AND LOGIC and then keep them their with a friendly discussion (and maybe some contemporary examples such as PS5 piracy - most of them are 15 year olds after all; they'll start to properly listen when you bring up an example that affects them). I think what will really do it though is showing some short extract of Marx which is incredibly relevant to some current event and say "OOoooOOoOoOh! SpoOoky Marx telling the future with his economic model. OoooOOOoooh!"
Yeah I agree, though I think Marx's ideas are more accessible than his writing and there are better places to start with people who grew up in McCarthyland.
Modern Monetary Theory. Basically a way of looking at our current floating currency money as something created and spent into existence by a sovereign state, and then deleted through taxation. Taxes don't fund spending, they just help control inflation (and curb inequality if you want).
You can reach them but you need to start with MMT or something.
I don't think so. Those people have wrapped their identity up in being part of the system, you can't just own someone with facts and logic into being a communist. You might get them to realize that a singular facet of their understanding, or even multiple, are wrong, but you won't change what's at the core of someone like that.
But what if I own them really hardcore epic gamer style? Didn't think of that, I bet
Shit I've been owned, now I have become even communister :lenin-shining:
No you can't facts and logic them. I guess my point was that you have to find an approach that they find agreeable or even interesting. Capital for all its strength will not resonate with most Econ nerds.
really you need to speak their language (supply and demand, invisible market forces, inalienable rights,
shitting your pants,etcetera), you hook them in with the allure of FACTS AND LOGIC and then keep them their with a friendly discussion (and maybe some contemporary examples such as PS5 piracy - most of them are 15 year olds after all; they'll start to properly listen when you bring up an example that affects them). I think what will really do it though is showing some short extract of Marx which is incredibly relevant to some current event and say "OOoooOOoOoOh! SpoOoky Marx telling the future with his economic model. OoooOOOoooh!"Yeah I agree, though I think Marx's ideas are more accessible than his writing and there are better places to start with people who grew up in McCarthyland.
whats MMT
Modern Monetary Theory. Basically a way of looking at our current floating currency money as something created and spent into existence by a sovereign state, and then deleted through taxation. Taxes don't fund spending, they just help control inflation (and curb inequality if you want).
oh, that sounds... accurate, like that seems like reality lol