intriguing. you’ve certainly owned the tankies. however, have you considered
liberals really are gonna fight to the last Ukrainian, aren’t they 
Yeah it is hard to know what's going on in the minds of tankies when you make up what they believe instead of listening to them
what part of "the communists disdain to conceal their views and aims" are you struggling with, please let me know, i'd love to help you all process
It’s also kind of weird that they think we’re just manifesting these ideas and analysis out of thin air when so many of the sources being posted here and in the mega thread are from western, liberal and neoliberal sources
What's going on in my tankie mind whichever way it goes
damn thats crazy haha
You tankie putinists cant see that by strategically letting the ruzzians ocuppy 1/5 of the country, zelensky has achieved the eventual collapse of ruzzia
You tankie purists think that all of the nazis should have gotten the wall, what about the ones who were coerced hm?
THEIR ECONOMY IS IN SHAMBLES, THEY CAN'T EVEN GET A MCCRISPY ANYMORE!Never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake, i chuckle sagely as six large medieval sons run pikes through me
Provide shelter, sustenance and care for everyone
Kill the [redacted]
These are the exact same thing
liberals agreeing with each other that everyone who disagrees with them are ontologically bad and unintelligent and the same as well as secretly insincere
Yeah, perhaps on a surface level our rhetoric might look like some rightist. But on a material level, liberals’ actions and military policies are supported by their parties and the fascists. Do they think Lockheed is 100% liberal or something? “Tankies” weren’t in charge of congress when they all voted to invade the Middle East. Many of the users in these subs are pick me leftists who have no problem propagating neoliberal talking points too.
The left want to overthrow liberal democracy. The right want to overthrow liberal democracy.
These two are exactly the same and I will not look into any of the details surrounding the different reasons they have or the societies they want to build afterwards.
SQWs. Status quo warriors.
No see, we're the exact same thing. You guys have a Trump emoji therefore you love and adore him just like right wing extremists do! I am very intelligent.
When scratched and unscratched liberals agree that horseshoe theory is real but that it only applies to people they don't like
The tankiejerk lemmy commumity has to start pumping out bad takes so they don't get overtaken by meanwhileongrad as lemmy's main anti tankie community.
Those ones know they're unserious, that's why they went full clown and included the Porn instead of just calling the community History.
They'll be happy to claim that Russia's goal was to take all of the Ukraine, and that by sticking with this territory it shows Russia lost.
They're not the most inquisitive.
Yea keep seeing articles about how Russia has admitted that this is just the first stepping stone into Poland and the rest of europe.
Meanwhile: Russia takes the territories they claimed to be after from the neegginning and then set up defenses
Poland is one of the US’ most important ally in countering Russia and is a NATO member. I fail to understand their reasoning for Russia invading other than he’s the joker who declares war to send a message
Liberals are going to say Ukraine won and their definition for that will be "Putler didn't kill every single Ukrainian" or "Putler didn't take over all of Ukraine".
I saw a bunch of libs saying it was a genocidal war when they were melting down about some Onion article, so they absolutely will claim that they lost because Putin couldn't personally execute every last Ukranian
The thing I love about this is that this person thinks that if the republicans win the election, Russia will just roll over and do whatever the US says, including going to war with China. Americans seem to honestly believe that their elections are these huge, world shifting events that reset the relations with foreign countries every 4-8 years. It's baffling.
Ukraine doesn't need to retake the territory, any more than the US needed to have marines on every street corner in Iraq in order to win over there. All the Ukrainians need to do to "win" is conduct a significantly vicious and horrible bombing campaign on Russian soil. Once enough Russian civilians are killed and enough of their industry is demolished, the American paymasters will feel like they've got their money's worth and roll out the Mission Accomplished banner.
And that's it. We'll clock this as a win, on the grounds that "we spent 5% of our budget to devastate 100% of the Russian economy (don't argue or you're a Russian bot)" and inducted a bunch of new periphery countries into NATO for the purposes of staging more nuclear weapons along the borders.
Russia will be defeated because we say they've been defeated. You'll be called stupid if you suggest otherwise. And then maybe we'll be back to it in another five or ten years, when some disgruntle Ukrainian ex-pat flies a bunch of explosive-laden drones into the London Shard and President Pete Buttigieg decides that Putin was responsible.
Ukrainians need to do to "win" is conduct a significantly vicious and horrible bombing campaign on Russian soil.
With what airforce?
into NATO for the purposes of staging more nuclear weapons along the borders.
Is there any point to that goal? Ukraine's not much closer to Moscow than Latvia. It doesn't make any difference strategically if a first strike missile comes from either, the result is the same.
Is there any point to that goal?
It lets us spend more money on bombs while giving some very important people at the Pentagon a delusion of a successful nuclear war.
Holy shit like... What kind of absolute dipshit have you got to be to think that getting one over on the tankies is somehow a win in this scenario?
I don't give a fuck who is right in the end, I want the war to be over as soon as possible with literally any outcome in terms of land. I could not give a fuck about the borders, you nationalist little dipshit. What matters are the lives of the hundreds of thousands of human beings being wasted over these stupid ass lines on a map.
Fuck me this is so callous and awful. This fucker cares more about owning the tankies than people.
How is this so hard to grasp?
I thought the same when reading that obvious cia plant article floating around where some reporter goes to Ukraine and talks to them about weapons to let us see what the American taxpayer is getting for their money.
At one point they ask the officer what would have happened without the American weapons and the guy says something to the effect of “Ukraine would have been overrun”
And I just have to wonder how many ordinary people would still be alive and back in their homes if that had been the outcome
This is literally just the liberal reaction to Vietnam winning the war lol
Oh yes, it's so hard to juggle all the thoughts going on in my head like so many juggling balls
Two I suppose
If Ukraine wins by somehow retaking the entire Donbass and Crimea and forcing regime change in Russia, I personally will say that all the death and destruction wasn't worth it to defend lines on a map and grow NATO power further.
to be fair if they did we'd dunk on them so hard they'd be dust on the proverbial pavement
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