Some of us have been trying to tell all of you for fucking months, if not years that the far right are organized, armed to the teeth and are a force to be reckoned with. Oh yeah, also helps that they have the cops to protect them and half of a political party who not only support them, but enabled all of this. Those two things were put on full display today, especially with how the cops just let them in, and the Trump wing of the GOP that has been screaming about how rigged everything is and "stop the steal".
There will never be a communist revolution here. The left is no where near as organized or politically connected as the far right. That should've been evident when more than one QAnon believer won their elections back in November. Instead of organizing, we'll spend the next few years arguing over the usual stupid shit. We have a lot of work to go before we can become a force to be reckoned with. The far right on the other hand have been preparing for this shit for fucking DECADES.
This felt like a test run for a real coup and it should scare the shit out of everyone. While a bunch of people on here like to waste their time stanning a capitalist country using communist imagery and telling us how amazing China is, the far right are organizing and they have their shit together. You saw it today.
Start preparing and getting ready for the future, cause this was only the beginning.
Im skeptical of any attempts to paint this as a “test run” for the real Scary Fascist Coup (what evidence is there for this? wouldn’t this have been the most opportune time? who does belief in this narrative benefit?). As far as I can tell this is the extent of the “coup” attempt and just demonstrates that the right is just as sloppy and unserious about organizing as the left. That they have obvious sympathy from the cops is predictable and troubling, but breaking in and vandalizing Nancy Pelosi’s office is far from an attempt at actually seizing power. I completely agree about a need for organizing on the left but again, if this is the pinnacle of being out-organized by the other side it’s still nothing other than political theater and not some sort of grave existential threat.
yeah this was like an absolute joke. they had zero organization and after taking the capitol they didn't even have the thought to just sit the fuck down and occupy the floor. if they did that in the hundreds and locked arms they'd have at least delayed the count, which I thought was the goal of their stupid plan, but they didn't have a goal.
they didn't even wear masks, and they're all on camera, anyone who took selfies in main seat is going to jail.
if trump hadn't have backed down i think there could have been a full scale coup today. but he's a chicken shit loser so he pulled out at the last minute
When the crowd was at its peak, running wild through the halls of the capitol, Trump gave a statement telling them to respect the police and be peaceful. How would things have gone if he told the crowd that it needed to fight to the death to save the republic?
It’s not that this was a test run per se, but I think it shows that the right Republican president could seize power if they wanted to.
I think its very possible that these people go on to become very violent. I don't think they'll ever actually overthrow the U.S government, but its not that much of a stretch I think for one of these people to deiced to shoot up a neighborhood, or a bunch of them get together and form a lynch mob. The zeitgeist of the right wing is being radicalized by the addictive and apocalyptic nature of Qanon, as well as the deteriorating material conditions of the average American over the course of the pandemic. I would honestly not be surprised to hear someone say they think Q wants them to put on a bomb vest and become a martyr. These are my fears at least.
Do you think that if the Trumpist (for lack of a better word) movement overthrows our liberal government that the US will tread on the rest of the world less than it already does?
Best case scenario, we will fuck with the rest of the world just as much as we always had, and life in America will become drastically worse for any members of minority/marginalized communities.
Our current government is having its own crisis of legitimacy already, because it is so bad at governing. Don’t think that some sort of right wing populist movement couldn’t legitimize itself just by being evil competently.
I know bringing up the Nazis is cliche, but they replaced a bourgeois liberal democracy, and it didn’t take them long at all to be in a position to exert terrible power on the world stage.
They broke into the capitol building, which should be a defining win for any movement, but it simply wasn't. They made no demands, didn't break anything or kill anyone, then all went home and Biden will probably still become president in two weeks. This is the most furious they've ever been and they essentially just goofed off on the floor of the Senate. That's their level of organization?
I know these people are dangerous, but I'm skeptical of the efficacy of the danger they represent. The pigs only let them in because of the lack of danger the protesters represented. If cops and politicians are already protecting them, they've essentially already won. They won a long time ago. The protesters were whining about not winning hard enough for their liking.
Spectacle, all of it.
You might be able to convince me these same people might perpetuate a pogrom or something in the next few months out of sheer frustration
edit: Also I'm not celebrating. I think it's funny but it's not exactly a good sign, so you're probably right there.
How do you buy a gun when you're being denied a license for being non-white?
And once you acquire it, how do you train with it, since 99.99% of gun ranges are full of wigs who would have no problem lying about events in the case that one of their own guns you down at the range
It's not 100% to the real thing but you can get a lot of the muscle memory from good replica airsoft guns. If you are in an area near a desert or unmonitored open space you can find impromptu target ranges to practice at. Lots of old cars and washer machines full of holes out in the desert
How do you buy a gun when you’re being denied a license for being non-white?
Can you be more specific here? Do you live in a "may issue" state? Does your state require licenses for all guns, or just handguns?
As for safety concerns while training, go to the range when it's crowded or go when you're the only one there. I live in a fairly chuddy area and I still don't think everyone on the range on a crowded day will cover up a murder at the drop of a hat. That's just not realistic in my experience. If it's realistic in yours, I've had good luck being the only one there early in the morning when it first opens up.
If you're in the state but outside of NYC, it looks like you don't need a permit to purchase long guns, or to register those guns when you have them.
Inside of NYC, you'd need both, and while it looks like a pain in the ass to get either a handgun or a long gun, I think the most restrictive laws (that allow denial of your application based on no reason at all) are aimed at handguns. For long guns, here are the relevant city rules, and it looks like Section 1-03 ("Applications" -- starts on page 2 of that link) is the most relevant. The fuzziest parts of that law say you must be "of good character" to get a permit, and you can get denied if there is "good cause" to do so. I can't find much on how this is actually applied, and based on the wording it could mean about any level of restrictiveness in practice.
Don't know if this will help, but it may be a start.
Anyone celebrating this are idiots.
Some of us have been trying to tell all of you for fucking months, if not years that the far right are organized, armed to the teeth and are a force to be reckoned with. Oh yeah, also helps that they have the cops to protect them and half of a political party who not only support them, but enabled all of this. Those two things were put on full display today, especially with how the cops just let them in, and the Trump wing of the GOP that has been screaming about how rigged everything is and "stop the steal".
There will never be a communist revolution here. The left is no where near as organized or politically connected as the far right. That should've been evident when more than one QAnon believer won their elections back in November. Instead of organizing, we'll spend the next few years arguing over the usual stupid shit. We have a lot of work to go before we can become a force to be reckoned with. The far right on the other hand have been preparing for this shit for fucking DECADES.
This felt like a test run for a real coup and it should scare the shit out of everyone. While a bunch of people on here like to waste their time stanning a capitalist country using communist imagery and telling us how amazing China is, the far right are organizing and they have their shit together. You saw it today.
Start preparing and getting ready for the future, cause this was only the beginning.
Im skeptical of any attempts to paint this as a “test run” for the real Scary Fascist Coup (what evidence is there for this? wouldn’t this have been the most opportune time? who does belief in this narrative benefit?). As far as I can tell this is the extent of the “coup” attempt and just demonstrates that the right is just as sloppy and unserious about organizing as the left. That they have obvious sympathy from the cops is predictable and troubling, but breaking in and vandalizing Nancy Pelosi’s office is far from an attempt at actually seizing power. I completely agree about a need for organizing on the left but again, if this is the pinnacle of being out-organized by the other side it’s still nothing other than political theater and not some sort of grave existential threat.
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yeah this was like an absolute joke. they had zero organization and after taking the capitol they didn't even have the thought to just sit the fuck down and occupy the floor. if they did that in the hundreds and locked arms they'd have at least delayed the count, which I thought was the goal of their stupid plan, but they didn't have a goal.
they didn't even wear masks, and they're all on camera, anyone who took selfies in main seat is going to jail.
As pointed out elsewhere in this thread, the other side is the imperial guvmint and it's extremely well organized
if trump hadn't have backed down i think there could have been a full scale coup today. but he's a chicken shit loser so he pulled out at the last minute
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When the crowd was at its peak, running wild through the halls of the capitol, Trump gave a statement telling them to respect the police and be peaceful. How would things have gone if he told the crowd that it needed to fight to the death to save the republic?
It’s not that this was a test run per se, but I think it shows that the right Republican president could seize power if they wanted to.
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I think its very possible that these people go on to become very violent. I don't think they'll ever actually overthrow the U.S government, but its not that much of a stretch I think for one of these people to deiced to shoot up a neighborhood, or a bunch of them get together and form a lynch mob. The zeitgeist of the right wing is being radicalized by the addictive and apocalyptic nature of Qanon, as well as the deteriorating material conditions of the average American over the course of the pandemic. I would honestly not be surprised to hear someone say they think Q wants them to put on a bomb vest and become a martyr. These are my fears at least.
Do you think that if the Trumpist (for lack of a better word) movement overthrows our liberal government that the US will tread on the rest of the world less than it already does?
Best case scenario, we will fuck with the rest of the world just as much as we always had, and life in America will become drastically worse for any members of minority/marginalized communities.
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Our current government is having its own crisis of legitimacy already, because it is so bad at governing. Don’t think that some sort of right wing populist movement couldn’t legitimize itself just by being evil competently.
I know bringing up the Nazis is cliche, but they replaced a bourgeois liberal democracy, and it didn’t take them long at all to be in a position to exert terrible power on the world stage.
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They broke into the capitol building, which should be a defining win for any movement, but it simply wasn't. They made no demands, didn't break anything or kill anyone, then all went home and Biden will probably still become president in two weeks. This is the most furious they've ever been and they essentially just goofed off on the floor of the Senate. That's their level of organization?
I know these people are dangerous, but I'm skeptical of the efficacy of the danger they represent. The pigs only let them in because of the lack of danger the protesters represented. If cops and politicians are already protecting them, they've essentially already won. They won a long time ago. The protesters were whining about not winning hard enough for their liking.
Spectacle, all of it.
You might be able to convince me these same people might perpetuate a pogrom or something in the next few months out of sheer frustration
edit: Also I'm not celebrating. I think it's funny but it's not exactly a good sign, so you're probably right there.
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Security shot the chud lady, or so the current story goes.
As everyone knows, having a favorable opinion of China takes a lot of time, much more time than having an unfavorable opinion.
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Buy a gun, learn how to use it, and try to find a local leftist organization while you're at it.
How do you buy a gun when you're being denied a license for being non-white?
And once you acquire it, how do you train with it, since 99.99% of gun ranges are full of wigs who would have no problem lying about events in the case that one of their own guns you down at the range
It's not 100% to the real thing but you can get a lot of the muscle memory from good replica airsoft guns. If you are in an area near a desert or unmonitored open space you can find impromptu target ranges to practice at. Lots of old cars and washer machines full of holes out in the desert
Can you be more specific here? Do you live in a "may issue" state? Does your state require licenses for all guns, or just handguns?
As for safety concerns while training, go to the range when it's crowded or go when you're the only one there. I live in a fairly chuddy area and I still don't think everyone on the range on a crowded day will cover up a murder at the drop of a hat. That's just not realistic in my experience. If it's realistic in yours, I've had good luck being the only one there early in the morning when it first opens up.
I'm in NY, so all guns. Haven't tried for a license, but I've heard stories.
If you're in the state but outside of NYC, it looks like you don't need a permit to purchase long guns, or to register those guns when you have them.
Inside of NYC, you'd need both, and while it looks like a pain in the ass to get either a handgun or a long gun, I think the most restrictive laws (that allow denial of your application based on no reason at all) are aimed at handguns. For long guns, here are the relevant city rules, and it looks like Section 1-03 ("Applications" -- starts on page 2 of that link) is the most relevant. The fuzziest parts of that law say you must be "of good character" to get a permit, and you can get denied if there is "good cause" to do so. I can't find much on how this is actually applied, and based on the wording it could mean about any level of restrictiveness in practice.
Don't know if this will help, but it may be a start.
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