people who actually get shit on neoliberal policies are the kinds of people we should be reaching out, not some shithead named Dave Bavelhoff who owns a jetski repair shop.
people who actually get shit on neoliberal policies are the kinds of people we should be reaching out, not some shithead named Dave Bavelhoff who owns a jetski repair shop.
Why?
I don't think you can understand a chud if you don't actually fucking know any and what good are you in creating more leftists if you don't understand a big chunk of the population
let me remind you a good number of us HERE were former chud
I don’t think the primary source for newly minted leftists is going to be proto fascists, sorry. Imo as long as you’re doing something other than posting and want to leave the world a better place than you came into it, you aren’t ‘useless’ for the left.
I don’t understand why some people want to cater to chuds so badly
Agree and while yeah, many chuds are ski doo dealership owners or whatever, probably close to an equal number of them are people who differ on culture war grounds and actually share our class interests! it makes sense to find common ground with these people where possible.
“Culture war” ahem bigots ahem
Why do you think they most of the people hold these opinions? Because they're evil? Because they're stupid? You're not better than anyone because you're a leftist.
They learned them and were made to believe they serve their material conditions. I don’t really give a shit. Don’t need to surround myself with people who would prefer me dead
"all right wingers want to kill me :((((" my point fucking exactly
in America this is fax. If they had their way the nazis would’ve won. I guess Stalin should’ve just been friends with more nazis and tried to reason with them. Expand his friend group.
Lmao jesus fucking christ the hyperbole no one is telling you to fucking be best friends with a nazi or Qanon dipshit
In general stop telling me who I should and shouldn’t be friends with. It’s fucking weird.
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Sorry, I will watch more Hasan, I will repent.
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Iunno arguing with your lib dad about biden and watching Hasan are what I imagine you do if you're the kind of lefty who never had to deal with any difficult situations
A bunch of other people agreed with me, surely there must be something to what I'm saying. I don't think it is right, that mostly white lefties, who come from middle class and rich backgrounds can just poopoo working class right wingers while simultaneously never actually interacting with them. How is that not classist?
My dad is a Reagan republican. This sounds like a scenario specific to you that you’re projecting onto us. Either way, I don’t think we should automatically write off anyone who has made mistakes and has right-wing tendencies, like coal miners in Appalachia or something. However a large portion of the current right in America and abroad is at the very least proto-fascist and the deeper you get there’s some outright Nazis. That is the current face of the right, and asking someone from a vulnerable or marginalized group to ‘suck it’s up and work with Jeb the Nazi because he wants universal healthcare too’ is IMO kind of cold hearted and very dismissive of the concerns of said groups.
If these people figure out that the problem isn’t brown people and trans people, they’ll come to us naturally. Forsaking vulnerable groups concerns in an effort to appeal to bigots is wrong imo and bad praxis
My parents are poor dumb trump diehards, my mom is on anti-psychotics and my father was abused all through his childhood by an adoptive father who didn't want him. The conservative propaganda got my dad first way before I was born, and they have had him for decades. My mom is ill and just goes along with my dad. You could probably help my mom still but not with my dad around. I can't fix him at this point, he's old.
However, that being said, there's plenty of people that you can reach before they get to that point. But if you don't do anything at all you have a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I just hate when lefties can't see my families suffering and why they became the way they are. I tend to think it's because they learned about the shit through a book rather than actually having any hard shit happen to them, known anyone who actually has... or instead just have cartoon caricatures of what they might think a Appalachian coal miner might be like.
FYI, I said earlier that I agree that you should just avoid right wingers if you have certain minority statuses. And no one is making arguments for people who are too far gone unless you think everybody is a nazi then you're a fucking idiot.
How do you think that your run of the mill right wing people will figure out that brown and trans people aren't the problem? How does one do that if they don't ever really interact with either? Who has to pick up that slack if people with certain minority statuses can't do it themselves? They can't just magically do it, that's not consistent with the idea of material conditions. Obviously your cracker lefties have to put in the work. Literally no one else can.
Instead of telling me stop arguing with my dad why don’t you put in more work with your parents and stop blaming other leftists for not doing that work for you?
You can't fix a stubborn broken 70 year old man and a woman on anti-psych meds. It is futile, I have tried, I have been trying, fuck you for suggesting I didn't.
You're a real heartless piece of illiterate shit. Go fuck yourself. What a horrible fucking thing to say to a comrade you shithead. Please go fuck yourself and fuck all the people like you.
You sound like you have a big problem feeling sorry for yourself and then you lash out and criticize others, good luck with that. I would never consider someone telling me who I must befriend a comrade. More a stupidpol user.
You're the one who is afraid of fucking right wingers to the point that you won't talk to them AND LIKELY HAS NEVER EVEN KNOWN ANY. You fucking cowardly little idiot, no one is telling you to be their fucking best friend.
More assuming from you. If this were to be a good faith discussion I would also share my family and friends dynamics, but since you just assume and go on rants because you feel sorry for yourself it ain’t worth it.
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And that is how we get a stupidpol user banned.
I'm not a stupidpol user, and I'd rather be banned then deal with a fucking asshole like you. You're not an ally to the working class, just the cartoon ones you invisioned in your head who have coal smeared faces in Appalachia.
More assuming and projection. Telling someone with mental health issues to kill themselves what an awesome comrade.
You deserved it, maybe you shouldn't be talking shit about people and their families if you're gonna feign back to mental health issues. Classist son of a bitch coward.
Good luck in your future endeavors... on stupidpol
Fuck yourself, I don't fuck with stupidpol or cowardly assholes like you.
Give it a shot you’ll fit in better over there. They’ll teach you some new tactics to argue with your parents about trump.
How do you not want people to be chuds but encourage people to be chuds? Are you fucking stupid? What's wrong with you?
You’re more like your parents than you’re willing to admit
They're broken people and have shitty, idiotic, hateful politics- but with all the bullshit my parents have gone through and as far as they've come, they're strong, I don't mind being like them.
The fuck is wrong with you?
It was totally above the belt to tell someone that they're not trying hard enough to fix their broken, mentally ill chud family. Literally not my responsibility to make sure someone who has mental health issues doesn't say stupid shit like that.
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well don't tell me im not trying hard enough to fix my broken ass family especially after i've given you the details. i wont say it again, but im not sorry dude can go fuck himself. ima log off
I think writing off some very real concerns and worries Minority groups have about working with proto-fascists as ‘culture war stuff’ is a bad take and class reductionist as shit.