good take. if this is your canary in the coal mine, you really got some catching up to do.
im even starting to feel that being forced off the giant corporate platforms might be beneficial...all this shit leads to is a delusional belief in the power of #activism.
the left in 2020 after 5 years of shitposting is a nothing compared to what it was in the early 20th century under eugene debbs.
I mean, so what if we know corporations get to decide what speech to allow? Last I checked, we don't control the actions of our enemies. We can no more stop twitter from banning left wing accounts, slapping foreign media labels on everything, just as we cannot stop reddit from banning r/cth. The thing we can control is our response and in the case of the subreddit, it was chapo chat. If anything, we should expect repression, not hope and pray the tech overlords don't turn their reaper laser on us after they're done with the fash. It's likely gonna happen too if we take our ideas seriously.
so long as we have the freedom to purchase domains, organize programmers and operate servers, we have available to us everything the internet offers: a means of communications.
if marxism in america gains any serious traction within our lifetime, theyll come down on us much harder for organizing workers en masse than they do on the right for vandalizing congress.
twitter is a front facing marketing campaign. our presence in the news can do that work for us..........but we're so far away from being a political precense that this twitter shit is what we talk about.
if this is your canary in the coal mine, you really got some catching up to do.
Who can you point to getting removed from social media that is on the level, or even close to the level of, the current president of the United States? The concern is not that they removed this specific president, but that they can remove any current US president at all. It's not contradictory to find it funny that the right is getting owned by their own opinions on private property rights and also be concerned by the fact that this represents a new level of power that we have not truly seen before, or at least not so publicly.
the left in 2020 after 5 years of shitposting is a nothing compared to what it was in the early 20th century under eugene debbs.
I think that's debatable. Debs got, what, 1 million votes in a country of maybe 100 million? Bernie -- admittedly not a full-on socialist, but hey, we've had a century of anticommunist propaganda and two red scares since Debs -- probably got proportionately more in the 2020 primary. And there's been a whole lot more political activity than just posting.
Debs was a boss, no argument here. His courtroom "fuck you I'm not sorry" speech is probably second only to Fidel's, too.
I'm only suggesting that Bernie in 2020 (not libertarians in 2020, lol fuck those losers) had at least comparable support, if not proportionately more support.
honestly coming up blank here. like what? some demonstrators are protecting communities from eviction I guess?
Electoral organizing is organizing, even if you personally disagree with that use of time and resources. And there's been significant amounts of leftist electoral organizing in the past five years (just measuring it from when Bernie kicked off his 2016 run is a sign of how valuable these efforts can be). Plus, if you want to write all of that off as insufficient, this summer we did just have the largest wave of protests (many of which were at least proto-leftist) this country has seen since Vietnam.
good take. if this is your canary in the coal mine, you really got some catching up to do.
im even starting to feel that being forced off the giant corporate platforms might be beneficial...all this shit leads to is a delusional belief in the power of #activism.
the left in 2020 after 5 years of shitposting is a nothing compared to what it was in the early 20th century under eugene debbs.
I mean, so what if we know corporations get to decide what speech to allow? Last I checked, we don't control the actions of our enemies. We can no more stop twitter from banning left wing accounts, slapping foreign media labels on everything, just as we cannot stop reddit from banning r/cth. The thing we can control is our response and in the case of the subreddit, it was chapo chat. If anything, we should expect repression, not hope and pray the tech overlords don't turn their reaper laser on us after they're done with the fash. It's likely gonna happen too if we take our ideas seriously.
agreed 100%.
so long as we have the freedom to purchase domains, organize programmers and operate servers, we have available to us everything the internet offers: a means of communications.
if marxism in america gains any serious traction within our lifetime, theyll come down on us much harder for organizing workers en masse than they do on the right for vandalizing congress.
twitter is a front facing marketing campaign. our presence in the news can do that work for us..........but we're so far away from being a political precense that this twitter shit is what we talk about.
Who can you point to getting removed from social media that is on the level, or even close to the level of, the current president of the United States? The concern is not that they removed this specific president, but that they can remove any current US president at all. It's not contradictory to find it funny that the right is getting owned by their own opinions on private property rights and also be concerned by the fact that this represents a new level of power that we have not truly seen before, or at least not so publicly.
I think that's debatable. Debs got, what, 1 million votes in a country of maybe 100 million? Bernie -- admittedly not a full-on socialist, but hey, we've had a century of anticommunist propaganda and two red scares since Debs -- probably got proportionately more in the 2020 primary. And there's been a whole lot more political activity than just posting.
he was more successful than the libertarian party while campaigning from prison. he peaked at 6% in 1912
honestly coming up blank here. like what? some demonstrators are protecting communities from eviction I guess?
Debs was a boss, no argument here. His courtroom "fuck you I'm not sorry" speech is probably second only to Fidel's, too.
I'm only suggesting that Bernie in 2020 (not libertarians in 2020, lol fuck those losers) had at least comparable support, if not proportionately more support.
Electoral organizing is organizing, even if you personally disagree with that use of time and resources. And there's been significant amounts of leftist electoral organizing in the past five years (just measuring it from when Bernie kicked off his 2016 run is a sign of how valuable these efforts can be). Plus, if you want to write all of that off as insufficient, this summer we did just have the largest wave of protests (many of which were at least proto-leftist) this country has seen since Vietnam.