I must be missing something too, because from some angles it looks like someone’s just using their powers to ban everyone that is “unable to see things” the way they see them.
Banning people for something that even hints of wrongthink is antithetical to building a community
Yeah. WTF are you on, mods?
I want to be on the same page with you guys. I want to hear what the trans experience here is like (especially because it seems night and day compared to mine). And I get there's trolling/brigading that requires counteraction.
But you're banning users who joined when the site was first founded for asking for a bit off context? Not everyone knows/sees the same shit as you.
Check yourself. This is awful for the large inclusive place we all want to have.
You guys are being shit at communication - and then attacking people for asking to be communicated with.
You can ask to be communicated with without downplaying or talking over trans voices. I don't necessarily think that's what Fractal_Monster meant, but he could have changed the tone of his message considerably by saying "This appears to me the most trans-positive space on the internet"
he could have changed the tone of his message considerably by saying “This appears to me the most trans-positive space on the internet”
He literally said "I have seen", which has the same meaning. Either way, not prefacing your statement with "IMHO" shouldn't lead to a ban. And other users were banned in this thread for essentially "showing undue deference to a mod". I know mods have to deal with shit, Atheismo bless them, but it's like they develop a cop mentality.
You can ask to be communicated with without downplaying or talking over trans voices.
Sure, but what does that mean in practical terms? For example, I can't tell who is trans and who is not - there are no ID badges and I'm not going to creep anyone's post history before replying. Someone says they're trans and posts a 10 page rant - how do I know that's representative of what other trans people are experiencing? How do I know this post isn't a troll/a joke/someone having a bad day? How do I know this isn't being upvoted by bots to create infighting?
This isn't real life. You can't see anyone's face. Maybe I saw their username before, maybe that was someone else. Trust is earned, not given.
It doesn't help that OP (and another similar post by u/cofabulously (sp?)) are only speaking for themselves. Are other mods/admins on board? (A resignation makes it seem like there's trouble among the admins/mods.) Do they have an official message for everyone? Does a trans sub have a joint statement they can endorse? Something that's prepared, polished, and CONCISE?
From the out-of-the-loop perspective, everything's going fine, then someone yells "THIS PLACE SUCKS, I'M SICK OF YOUR SHIT" and when you ask what happened they chew you out for not knowing and then when you question them again they ban you.
I believe them that there're apparently targeted attacks on trans people behind the scenes (though I still haven't seen anyone define the problem any more precisely than "transphobia")... but you have to tell people what's going on if you want them to know about it.
Yeah. WTF are you on, mods?
I want to be on the same page with you guys. I want to hear what the trans experience here is like (especially because it seems night and day compared to mine). And I get there's trolling/brigading that requires counteraction.
But you're banning users who joined when the site was first founded for asking for a bit off context? Not everyone knows/sees the same shit as you.
Check yourself. This is awful for the large inclusive place we all want to have.
You guys are being shit at communication - and then attacking people for asking to be communicated with.
You can ask to be communicated with without downplaying or talking over trans voices. I don't necessarily think that's what Fractal_Monster meant, but he could have changed the tone of his message considerably by saying "This appears to me the most trans-positive space on the internet"
He literally said "I have seen", which has the same meaning. Either way, not prefacing your statement with "IMHO" shouldn't lead to a ban. And other users were banned in this thread for essentially "showing undue deference to a mod". I know mods have to deal with shit, Atheismo bless them, but it's like they develop a cop mentality.
Sure, but what does that mean in practical terms? For example, I can't tell who is trans and who is not - there are no ID badges and I'm not going to creep anyone's post history before replying. Someone says they're trans and posts a 10 page rant - how do I know that's representative of what other trans people are experiencing? How do I know this post isn't a troll/a joke/someone having a bad day? How do I know this isn't being upvoted by bots to create infighting?
This isn't real life. You can't see anyone's face. Maybe I saw their username before, maybe that was someone else. Trust is earned, not given.
It doesn't help that OP (and another similar post by u/cofabulously (sp?)) are only speaking for themselves. Are other mods/admins on board? (A resignation makes it seem like there's trouble among the admins/mods.) Do they have an official message for everyone? Does a trans sub have a joint statement they can endorse? Something that's prepared, polished, and CONCISE?
From the out-of-the-loop perspective, everything's going fine, then someone yells "THIS PLACE SUCKS, I'M SICK OF YOUR SHIT" and when you ask what happened they chew you out for not knowing and then when you question them again they ban you.
I believe them that there're apparently targeted attacks on trans people behind the scenes (though I still haven't seen anyone define the problem any more precisely than "transphobia")... but you have to tell people what's going on if you want them to know about it.
It's good to minimize being confrontational, but meh