edit: I'm framing this around the cop who got killed

like will police be less willing to let nazis and maga freaks do whatever they want because the police know they're targets now too, or will the police let them get away with everything now because they don't want to get beat to death with a fire extinguisher for getting in their way?

i know police have been cooperating with patriot prayer in Portland and proud boys in dc and in every other city where those groups show up. but if i was a cop and learned that a group I've helped and is full of cops killed another pig, or tried to crush one in a door, I'd probably be a lot more distrustful of them. i know a lot of cops get killed by "friendly fire" (which is hilarious) but this just looks and feels different to me. idk it's just something I've been thinking about

  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    i want to say that i really appreciate your analysis throughout this post and you’ve really helped me grasp the situation better.

    :fidel-salute:

    isn’t the whole boog movement about bringing about a second civil war and being anti-government?

    There's a definition of conservatism that applies to anti-government conservatism as well: "There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." I'd bet that the vast majority of "anti-government" types really just want the government to do less things that bind them, and are either indifferent towards or supportive of government actions that bind others. You can see this in libertarian spaces, which are some of most well-established "anti-government" places out there. Most libertarians don't want to eradicate all government. They mostly want to cut out the parts that might at some point tell them what to do, and otherwise they subscribe to either a "minarchist/night watchmen" approach to government or a "stripped down but not to the point where any of the benefits I enjoy are cut" approach. There are also plenty in this crowd who view local governments as at least semi-legitimate, but who view the federal government as largely illegitimate. Is all of this unworkable and full of contradictions? You bet your ass it is, but it's what they believe.

    So against this background of a fundamentally incoherent worldview, you can get police who harbor anti-government viewpoints (despite working for the government), and you can get anti-government conservatives who'll fly a "don't tread on me" flag right beside a "blue lives matter" flag. It's not any sort of principled philosophical stance; it's just treating different groups differently based on whatever set of prejudices they harbor.

    there’s “leftists” today who don’t trust “tankies” because of stuff that happened last century but cops now don’t care about the anti-cop violence committed by their “allies” because they’re all on the same side

    I think this can be understood by (1) recognizing that propaganda works and (2) considering the propaganda that gives rise to each of these opinions. Left anticommunism ("leftists" not trusting "tankies") has been a significant part of U.S. anticommunist propaganda for most of a century now. On the other side, there's tons of propaganda portraying right-wing violence as "mentally ill loners" because multiple powerful interests simultaneously want to cater to the militia crowd but distance themselves from the inevitable, lethal results of that (think Republican politicians, gun manufacturers who want to sell more than just hunting rifles, the military wanting to glorify militarism, right-wing media ghouls who make careers being as incendiary as possible, etc.).