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Judo: originator, traditionally referred to as jujutsu or taijutsu in Japan, until Kano Jigoro came to Japanese jujutsu and created from it Judo. Practiced and refined for hundreds of years. Teaches balance and specializes in throwing an opponent to the ground, and submitting or subduing them.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu developed from judo to assist smaller, weaker people with judo. It specializes in takedowns vs throws, and keeping the fight on the ground until you maintain a dominant position and submission. It was developed within the last 100 years, and continued to evolve as both a martial art and sport, such as ”gi" and no “gi" grappling.
Sambo was also developed around the same time as Jiu-Jitsu, in Russia, to train military troops. It incorporates many more striking techniques than Judo or BJJ, and has both a “combat” and “sport” style.
It's worth noting that Judo was developed in part by taking out all the parts of jujutsu where you had to use weapons or overpower somebody.
In short, resisting a more powerful opponent will result in your defeat, whilst adjusting to and evading your opponent's attack will cause him to lose his balance, his power will be reduced, and you will defeat him. This can apply whatever the relative values of power, thus making it possible for weaker opponents to beat significantly stronger ones. This is the theory of ju yoku go o seisu.[17]
Kano realised that seiryoku zen'yō, initially conceived as a jujutsu concept, had a wider philosophical application. Coupled with the Confucianist-influenced jita kyōei, the wider application shaped the development of judo from a bujutsu (武術, martial art) to a budō (武道, martial way). Kano rejected techniques that did not conform to these principles and emphasised the importance of efficiency in the execution of techniques. He was convinced that practice of jujutsu while conforming to these ideals was a route to self-improvement and the betterment of society in general.[18] He was, however, acutely conscious of the Japanese public's negative perception of jujutsu:
I usually tell people to just not use martial arts for self-defense. Street fights are stupid games where you win stupid prizes because the only way you win is by disengaging and getting home safely and your words, actions, and willingness to take an L take care of the lion's share of these situations. Leftists are special though. If some chuds start shit because of your gender presentation, or some chud is having a gamer moment during a protest, or you need to de-arrest a comrade, then you have a real reason to fight. And lord help us all, jiu jitsu isn't going to be some magic pill you swallow, but it's really cool to know if you're in a disadvantageous position (Captain America sits backwards in a chair "so, you ended up in the bottom of mount"). If you don't know how to fight, you get mounted, and you decide the raise the level of violence by getting at their genitals, their eyes, their fingers, etc. you're going to have a bad time when they too raise the level of violence and get at you like the Mountain vs the Viper. If you buck & roll them off of you, get in side control, and have the most awkward cuddle session of your life, that's a W*.
I remember a thread on R*ddit where a guy applies the scientific method to hundreds of instances of video recorded fights. It was messy and he had to have rigid definitions,. He found in instances of honorable 1v1 combat it was something like the first 30 seconds of the fight was where KOs happened and the chance decreased astronomically if it went on longer than that (CW: Rener Gracie is pro police while making my point 😒 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOL7wmCMXss). This is to say that if you can cover your face, grab their arms, avoid dramatic swings, or BE ON THE GROUND - especially when you're on top, the amount of damage you take drops off a cliff. These people are never going to cross up with body shot combos, leg kicks, judo throws, etc. and if they did, you would have always lost. If you can protect your head and not get tackled, 90% of the 5% of unavoidable fights are taken care of.
But ultimately, what's going to win the day is having comrades around you. You can study BJJ for 15 years and then get jumped by two people, bounce your head off the concrete, and end up with morbidity and mortality. And I think the primary reason you'd ever do BJJ is because it's fun and you can build a community through it. If I'm ever going to know a person who does something, it's going to be because I know them from BJJ.
*https://youtu.be/bErptxD1jho?t=2613 (but also don't pretend this is going to work just because you watched a YouTube video. Practice submission wrestling with your friends)
street fights to protect are good, street fights at protests are ??? if started by the protesters.
For sure. Maybe it's confirmation bias because I've thought this for years - violence sucks. It sucks it blows. Wars of the 90s saw more death by disease, friendly fire, suicide, etc. than combat deaths?! I learn this and then I do BJJ, right? Rolling isn't panic inducing for me. But sometimes I imagine that I'm rolling for all the marbles - maybe we're cavemen fighting in a war, or I'm in a situation or whatever. If I were really about to be choked to death it would be terrifying because I'm so helpless! Screaming, biting, crying: nothing could help me if they meant it. But then I tap and we go again from the top without saying anything but perhaps pleasantries in between. But then you take it out of a controlled environment. They could have friends, weapons, or friends with weapons! You could get unlucky on uneven terrain. You could get your jacket stuck on something. They could improvise a weapon. All of this stuff escalates violence and makes your outcomes worse and self-defense isn't much besides being outcome oriented.
So from the macro to the micro of combat it sucks. Everything about it should be avoided if it can 110%. Going out looking for a fight is something that people who don't fight do. But sometimes chuds do and sometimes you're at a protest looking like a target.
However there is nothing in this world I like as much as engaging in combat sports in controlled environments with people I trust.
its mostly just i dont see much to gain from it, there is no objective in mind, at least if youre protecting yourself or someone, that makes sense. like you can counter protest and brawl with fascists all day but that doesnt actually get rid of the fascists, that just gives everyone cool scars or something. if you can one hit KO them and get away yeah sure go for it but its not changing anything
He found in instances of honorable 1v1 combat it was something like the first 30 seconds of the fight was where KOs happened and the chance decreased astronomically if it went on longer than that (
From what I know of historical fights this is also pretty much how it goes. Given that these usually involve big shapr weapones, its usually over within seconds of the opponents making a move.
If you're big learn Muay Thai. If you're not big still learn Muay Thai, but especially if you're big.
Grappling is good, healthy fun for comrades of all ages. Just practice clear boundaries, communication, and safewords and taps.
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now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a very long time
No gyms near lib mountain, Idaho. But plenty of Krav Maga and Judo/Bjj places. If Covid ever ends I'll find one to join up.
