"This is how the MAGACOMMUNISTS work as the kayfabe opposition of the Destiny/Vaush twitch streamer psyops. They act like the characatures of "tankies" created in a Democratic Party lab would to sheepdog the compatible left back into the democrats & communists into the far right."
I don't think any of them started out as feds. I think they simply fell into doing a thing and were then amplified by feds. Somewhere along the line they realised they were getting fed amplification and leaned into it and then may or may not have eventually met with a handler. Likely not though if this was the path into it, no need for it and it's all deniable.
30 years from now we'll be reading declassified documents about it.
Breadtubers are literally hired by the UK and US government to push certain narratives in their videos, there was a big drama about it last year when documents about it were leaked
If I recall correctly that was over vaccine and mask content for covid which nobody here is going to say is a bad thing.
It’s not concerning to you at all that these people have handlers and open communication lines with the CIA and MI6? You think they only got paid on one issue and then it all stopped, just a one time transaction?
"Open communication lines" amounts to a civil service person from some department charged with improving people's views on vaccinations sending an email to a business enquiries address and then doing a call in which options are discussed.
By itself it's literally meaningless. A leak of something that actually matters is required to get anyone thinking something actually shady is going on. I am not going to take part in using anything to do with vaccinations or covid as a propaganda tool, it's going to make you look like a magacommunist nazbol.
There was money exchanged don’t play dumb. Funny how the people with the most fixated hatred of “Patsocs” completely turn a blind eye to radlib imperialists who are 100 times as plentiful and 10 times as evil. Stop defending Breadtube social fascists. If you are going to attack patsoc weirdos then you can’t defend breadtubers. PhilosophyTube is as or more chauvinist than any patsoc figure, and they have a much larger platform
You're asking me to start claiming to people that spreading pro-vaccination and masking content is a bad thing. You know damn well how this will look when a liberal jumps into any damn conversation and starts screaming "this is anti vaxxer shit".
You're either being thoroughly naive or you are a wrecker trying to convince people to take up positions that will embarrass them or make them look bad. I'm sorry mate but this is simply not good enough. There is nothing actionable here.
Like I said, there's no way it's just on one issue that they are getting paid by the imperialist state. I don't trust anyone who receives funding from the US government to push propaganda, regardless of what the issue is and if I agree with it or not - because it shows a relationship of an imperial lackey and mouthpiece.
You're being naive by thinking they just took bribes once and never again. These are sell outs. They sell out. They are not your friends. In fact, they are the very face of our enemy, of social fascism, and the forms of fascism that are palatable to our milieu of western radlibs.
Who said I saw them as friends?
You're not really listening to me. You are soapboxing.
You are defending them taking money from the CIA lmao, just simply stop doing that
Taking money from a government department promoting vaccination is not the same thing as taking money from the cia. Framing it as such is the problem, it makes you look like a crank, and quite frankly I'm surprised to run into this kind of bad faith shit on Hexbear, I haven't seen it from any users here (not counting federated users) since the last purge.
Was your previous account Z poster? You remind me of them.
It was from USAID money, same money funding shit in Hong Kong and Syria lmao. It goes back to NED and CIA
Looks like you are the only conspiracy crank here, I don’t know who your past grievances are but you are the one with the wall of crazy here tying strings not me
You don't understand. When people get paid to do good things it's actually bad. What if that good thing was a bad thing? Pretty bad, huh?
We can't be sure that's the only thing they're getting paid to do, and personally I'm not willing to give them the benefit of doubt
Does it matter? They might be paid by the feds, or they might be looking out for their new (owning) class interests. It's the same outcome either way.
I'm just not about to dunk on them for getting paid to do a good thing. There's 1001 other reasons to hate them that aren't just guesses—they say and do ghoulish shit all the time. Let's dunk on that.
Breadtuber gets paid by USAID/NED to promote something, but what’s the big deal cause it’s something I agree with anyway? Right? Until they see how going outside certain limits makes you a “Russian propagandist” and ineligible for future money or jobs.
Getting paid by the CIA and wanting future pay days for other agreeable items still has a co-opting effect and chills any harsh criticism of imperialism or touchy subjects.
"were then amplified by feds."
Yes, I agree; it's very easy for the feds to amplify things with with troll-farms and extra likes and reposts.
"30 years from now we'll be reading declassified documents about it."
That's what I think as well. To me, it's too coordinated. They literally took over PCUSA and KFAUSA.
I just... get a bad feeling about them because attempts to resurrect Browderism were done in the 1960s by feds and sometimes they would use former anarchists or anarchists in their employ (or actual communists).
"Fed-jacketing" as a term came from that period as well. You also had groups like the Weatherman Underground which were heavily infiltrated as it continued. Hell, my org gets fed-jacked a lot and it's easier now with the Internet. Zionists also use troll-farms and can amplify lots of comments, as is well-documented.
I think it's necessary to structure orgs in a way that simply accepts it's impossible to stop feds joining and limits their impact by never giving anyone enough power or responsibility to be destructive.
Also possible that internal education programs could inoculate members against current reactionary trends somewhat. The tactic is essentially to create a reactionary trend with leftist aesthetics and to then attract people to it by seizing upon areas of theory that people are less educated in. It makes sense to me that if you get to people first and educate them against the trend you can essentially get ahead of their ability to attract.
Yes, I'm apart of the Education Department where I'm at and we're furnishing an education program for what you said in your last paragraph here. Yes, I agree that it's a good way to "pre-empt" others from being attracted to these reactionary ideologies to begin with and keep more members (lots of new members appear and then disappear on the first day; we call it "window-shopping" as they often join another org and then another just to see which ones they like the most).