This is just an cynical excuse that the Kim Monarchist Dictatorship uses to maintain absolute power and control over the hermit kingdom.

You're listening to NPR.

    • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I haven't seen anyone support nuking, thankfully, but I have seen anarchists support the economic sanctions (on the old sub) which is almost as bad.

    • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Have seen people here saying that Kim should be killed.

      As far as the non-interventionist "criticism" that's still rooted in propaganda, Adam Johnson has this analogy he uses (forget the exact quote and I can't find it right now) about how doing all of this "criticism", saying some official enemy actually is an oppressive, totalitarian regime that puts all political dissidents in concentration camps, etc., while saying, "oh, but of course we shouldn't attack them" is like taking the football 90 yards and then dropping it there. It makes it that much easier for someone to take it all the way. Echoing that propaganda furthers the work of regime change propaganda even if you say that regime change is bad. See all of the "socialist" support for the Hong Kontras.

        • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          There's principled critique and there's "North Korea is a fascist monarchy that murders all gay people", which I see here all the time.

          And yes, when dealing with normies, those of us living in the imperial core should just shut the fuck up about the countries that are under siege from imperialism unless it's to defend them.

            • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              The ‘monarchy’ line is a tongue-in-cheek way of refering to legitimate criticism over the Kim’s pseudo-hereditory leadership.

              The monarchy line is saying that the DPRK is a monarchy, which is false, and reinforces the narrative that the people of the DPRK are oppressed and subjugated by the Kims and in need of liberation.

              I’ve not once seen ‘kills all gay people’-kind of criticism here, but maybe it’s just very, very niche.

              I've seen it twice that I can recall. Less common than the other stuff. Much more common in big tent spaces on Reddit and Twitter and it's just a common assumption irl.

              None of here are ‘normies’, so we should be able to speak freely in good faith about things like this.

              There's good faith discussion and there's calling the DPRK fascist with no factual basis and refusing to listen to people pushing back against those imperialist narratives. It's pretty good here for the most part but we're the exception even in online left spaces. The old sub was much worse.