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    • joseph [he/him, they/them]
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      4 years ago

      More miles of "the wall" were built under the Obama administration than under Trump. In fact, the wall has been in construction since Congress/Bush enacted the Secure Fence Act in '06.

    • KantNeverCould [any]
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      4 years ago

      The Biden administration and their friends in the media believe that they have been a "government in exile" since Obama left. All they want to do is the same sick shit 2nd term Obama was doing.

          • Zezima [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            2012-2016 was after Libyan intervention and involved Iran Nuclear Deal, minimal foreign policy, Cuban Thaw, Paris Agreement, Afghanistan decline, protecting Kurds from ISIL, etc.

            • shitstorm [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              And Yemen was all on his 2nd term. My point being that these guys are never a "net good" and framing his presidency like that is a liberal take of the highest order. Cuba, Iran, and the Paris agreement are "good" things in that they are better than what was there before, but Obama was overall still an imperialist who protected American hegemony the same way every president does: death and destruction. Framing his second term as a "net good" is exactly how people justify imperialism. I can't tell you how many people I've met who have said "Yeah US wars are bad, but overall the world is better off with the US than without it."

              The office of the US President is incapable of global good without dismantling their own power.

              • Zezima [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                describing the entire Yemeni Civil War as a manifestation purely of Obama's willpower is disrespectful to the factions actually struggling for power there. Sure the US Special Forces did a raid or two targeting ISIL there doesn't mean the entire situation is some kind of false flag for American imperialism.

                Perhaps I am optimistic here but US Foreign Policy is pretty much dead at this point going forward. The USA just isn't in a position anymore to conduct a new War on China or Russia or Iran.

        • KantNeverCould [any]
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          4 years ago

          That's why the Democrats and the Republicans both had unknown, firery populist challengers do so well in the 2016 presidential primaries. Everything was so happy and good.

    • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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      4 years ago

      haha yes, biden definitely didn't have a role in the border wall...

      https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/443182-cnn-resurfaces-biden-remarks-calling-for-a-border-fence

      "I voted for a fence, I voted, unlike most Democrats — and some of you won't like it — I voted for 700 miles of fence,” Biden said at the time. "But, let me tell you, we can build a fence 40 stories high, unless you change the dynamic in Mexico and — and you will not like this, and — punish American employers who knowingly violate the law when, in fact, they hire illegals. Unless you do those two things, all the rest is window dressing."

      "Now, I know I'm not supposed to say it that bluntly, but they're the facts, they're the facts,” Biden continued. “And so everything else we do is in between here. Everything else we do is at the margins. And the reason why I add that parenthetically, why I believe the fence is needed, does not have anything to do with immigration as much as drugs. And let me tell you something, folks, people are driving across that border with tons, tons, hear me, tons of everything from byproducts for methamphetamine to cocaine to heroin and it's all coming up through corrupt Mexico.”

    • shitstorm [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Well Biden's actual policy goals of "I wanna gut your budget with a machete" isnt very catchy.