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Of all the people in that building, Zelenskyy should have been the first to understand what "fought against the USSR in WW2" means. As both President of Ukraine and a Jewish Ukrainian he should know that history very well. But he still clapped anyway.
I hesitate to jump to calling Zelenskyy himself a Nazi sympathizer, even though his country and military is infested with them. But if he wasn't one, why tf would he clap?
Zelenskyy had a small meeting with Hunka and Trudeau before the parliament meeting. He talked to Hunka and had a chance to ask him questions. He knew exactly that he was Waffen SS and a jew killer. He still applauded.
What's he even supposed to do? Not applaud? His entire current project is a nazi junta, he can't condemn the beast he rides. He knew who Hunka was and he knows what he's doing and who his government and army is filled with.
But if he wasn't one, why tf would he clap?
What's he to do?
If he surrenders to Russia, he gets got by the Nazis who feel betrayed. If he refuses to clap and pisses off the western governments who prop him and the war up, he loses funding and protection. His only option is to keep playing to NATO's tune until they get bored, and hope when they do that he's offered a rat line.
Um actually sweetie Zelensky is Jewish, so please do some research before you mouth off.
You forgot the magic 'stop all thought' words "Russian propaganda"
It's pointless to try to quantify the exact proportion of the population of Ukraine sympathetic to nazism. It's possible the majority of people in Ukraine are anti-nazi and would vote for one of the banned left wing parties if allowed.
The problem is that the oligarchs and politicians in charge of Ukraine, as well as western journalists and politicians supporting them, are okay with depicting Ukrainian soldiers wearing sonnenrads, swastikas, dirlewanger patches, and calling Stepan Bandera a hero. There's something deeply, deeply wrong with your political project if this kind of thing happens regularly, and these nazi photo ops have been a weekly occurrence.
There's something viscerally horrifying about seeing people with billions of dollars in weaponry brandishing the same nazi iconography as the Buffalo Shooter.
I think you understand then that the majority of Ukrainian are not Nazis.
What percentage of Ukraine would you say are Nazis?
If you want to do it numerically I can offer you a method: https://ratinggroup.ua/en/research/ukraine/desyatyy_obschenacionalnyy_opros_ideologicheskie_markery_voyny_27_aprelya_2022.html
In particular, the attitudes that gradually improved are the ones towards Ivan Mazepa (44% in 2012 and 76% in 2022), Simon Petliura (26% in 2012 and 49% in 2022) and Stepan Bandera (22% in 2012 and 74% in 2022). It is important that the positive attitude towards the ideologue of Ukrainian nationalism prevails today in the south-eastern regions of Ukraine, and among those who speak only Russian in everyday life.
The largest polling group in Ukraine found that views to Stepan Bandera were 22% positive in 2012, versus 74% positive in 2022. If you're not quite sure why it's an issue that 74% of society now views the founder of the OUN-B who took part in the holocaust and were viewed by even the nazi SS as "too extreme" then I don't know what to tell you.
This kind of shift has occurred because since the Maidan coup of 2014, there have been fascists in power. Maybe not complete and total power but enough power to shove Ukraine (and its population) in the fascist direction. You don't move from 22% of the population viewing the ukrainian equivalent of Hitler as positive to 74% of the population viewing him as positive without that being a systemic push by the state.
And what percentage of American and Russians would you say are Nazi's?