i mean they are unions, they're just reactionary unions and tools of the bourgeoisie. Rather than pretending they're not unions at all we should just recognize that not all unions are good. Eugene Debs gave a very famous speech about "craft consciousness" and how some unions hold back the proletariat by protecting their narrows craft interests rather than the broader class interests of the workers. This line to me seems more logical than trying to deny that cop unions are unions, which just makes us sound like we're contradicting ourselves.
You raise a good point. My gut reaction is to bring up they the function of police is to protect the bourgeois class rather than the proletariat, rather then functioning to lift up workers. I think my visceral, tangible hatred for cops is tainting my view here.
I wouldn't say your view is tainted, just that you're saying the correct thing, but in a way that might confuse people not familiar with our ideology. I'm just putting myself in the shoes of someone who doesn't understand socialism yet. In a way you're absolutely right. Cop unions aren't unions in the same sense that national socialists aren't socialists and urinal cakes aren't cakes.
Not every association to support a group is a union. Yours is one way, but we could also say that unions in the sense of labour union / Gewerkschaft means something different. Both ways and likely others are possible.
they are workers, but are class antagonists of the proletariat
Well sure airplanes are necessary to cross an ocean in a reasonable amount of time but they're also responsible for 9/11. When are we going to address that?
you say unions are good and yet the Torture Nexus Technicians Union is bad, checkmate tankieThe "We" in this post are liberals and they won't address it because they also depend on cops to be abusive to people. Us, on the other hand, will readily address the cop unions.
The power of police unions proves that other unions are simply not armed enough
"when are we going to address how I'm a radlib without class consciousness" lol
Cops: *go on strike*
Nothing: *changes*
Bourgeois: "Give them everything they ask for or society will collapse!"
Yeah, police are the enforcement tools of the owner class, designated extra privileges to give them the impression that they're somehow distinct from the proletariat. They'd have too much power even without unions. Listen to politicians who urge corrupt cops to stay on payroll because of literally getting the "rotten apple" metaphor backwards. I'm not really sure how you can judge some unions good or bad, when ACAB is a fact. Just, get rid of the police and leave this hypothetical to historians.
Solidarity amongst the oppressed is good
Solidarity amongst the oppressors is bad
I already told you I support unions, you don't have to sell it to me.
How do liberals deal with the cognitive dissonance of "There is no owning class that conspires for their class interests" and "The only union the politicians support is the police union"?
The politicians and their benefactors don't support unions for service workers. They don't support them for the manufacturers or the laborers that operate critical infrastructure. But they do support the cop unions. How can they dance around class warfare as the answer to this conundrum? They must just avoid thinking about it too hard.
