Also, as you raise standards of living, the need for 8 children as free labor disappears and people have less kids because they're annoying and really only worth it as pets/free labor.
Also, to anyone who doesn’t value bodily autonomy over their own stance of natalism… I have some words
I suppose extreme anti-natalists could argue that allowing someone to create a child is subjecting that child to a lifetime of potential suffering it didn’t consent to, so others are justified in intervening against it.
It’s a bizarre inversion of anti-abortion arguments really.
I mean you could argue giving birth to someone is itself an ethical gamble that the person most affected by has no say in.
Like idk, if it were hypothetically possible to contact beings before they came into existence I really do wonder how most would feel about the question: “hey would you rather continue not experiencing anything at all, including the desire to experience things, or take a massive gamble that could result in you either experiencing great joy, great pain, some combo of the two or just sheer boredom and mediocrity for between 1 and 90ish years?” what most people’s response would be. Parents deciding to have kids are basically answering that question for their potential kids.
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Women being able to enter the workforce and generate their own income also usually precedes a drop in birth rates.
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Also, as you raise standards of living, the need for 8 children as free labor disappears and people have less kids because they're annoying and really only worth it as pets/free labor.
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I suppose extreme anti-natalists could argue that allowing someone to create a child is subjecting that child to a lifetime of potential suffering it didn’t consent to, so others are justified in intervening against it.
It’s a bizarre inversion of anti-abortion arguments really.
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I mean you could argue giving birth to someone is itself an ethical gamble that the person most affected by has no say in.
Like idk, if it were hypothetically possible to contact beings before they came into existence I really do wonder how most would feel about the question: “hey would you rather continue not experiencing anything at all, including the desire to experience things, or take a massive gamble that could result in you either experiencing great joy, great pain, some combo of the two or just sheer boredom and mediocrity for between 1 and 90ish years?” what most people’s response would be. Parents deciding to have kids are basically answering that question for their potential kids.
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True
I’m just drinking and grappling with my own weird internal anti-natalist sympathizes.
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